Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
I will go ahead and forecast a big displacement bid on the next 365 "Advanced Entitlement" in February, or whenever it comes down. No need to keep our widebody jets staffed at current levels.
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Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Delta international wide body flying is being systematically outsourced and DALPA seems to be overjoyed with their great success in facilitating that process.
What the he|| am I missing?
It seems to me these Joint Ventures and codeshares are a disaster.
The union says the company doesn't need our permission to do this stuff and its wonderful that we are able to achieve some protections. Excuse me but it puts our stamp of approval on the elimination of our jobs. It makes no sense at all. We should be fighting these things with all our strength.
Somebody please explain to me why the US airline representing over 80% of the combined populations of our two countries only gets 25% of the flying?
Why does DALPA think that's such a great deal for us?
What the he|| am I missing?
It seems to me these Joint Ventures and codeshares are a disaster.
The union says the company doesn't need our permission to do this stuff and its wonderful that we are able to achieve some protections. Excuse me but it puts our stamp of approval on the elimination of our jobs. It makes no sense at all. We should be fighting these things with all our strength.
Somebody please explain to me why the US airline representing over 80% of the combined populations of our two countries only gets 25% of the flying?
Why does DALPA think that's such a great deal for us?
My understanding the MEC is getting interpretation from the company on exactly what they mean by the PA bulletin. I would expect some sort of a response in the coming days once the company clarifies their position.
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I think we need to do a better job of looking down the road here.
Sure, at this brief moment, we enjoy a relative detente with the CEO.
Look around us today (AA, UAL, USAir, JetFU, UPS, even FedEx to some extent), and reflect on our own history. A management group that works with and respects its pilots is a very rare animal.
Nowhere else recently has a pilot group enjoyed the relative respect of management and/or a comparatively decent contract. Southwest is, of course, the blaring exception. But even they are turning into more of a "legacy" every minute, both in terms of costs and in terms of an increasingly antagonistic pilot/management relationship (that comes along with cutting costs).
Based purely on lessons of the past, our relatively good relationship with our leadership won't last.
So while some of the Widgeteers wonder aghast how a Delta pilot could possibly take exception to the company's PA edict, I look at it a different way.
When (and it's a "WHEN," not an "IF") we have a harsher management team, we don't want to be on record as merrily bending over for whatever they ram up our asses, whether it's been negotiated in the contract or not.
To those of us who think Delta loves us, who think we are beholden to follow wherever management herds us, I say: WAKE UP.
Like Scoop said: We are nothing more than a cost to be minimized (or steamrolled or taken advantage of). Let's not forget it.
Sure, at this brief moment, we enjoy a relative detente with the CEO.
Look around us today (AA, UAL, USAir, JetFU, UPS, even FedEx to some extent), and reflect on our own history. A management group that works with and respects its pilots is a very rare animal.
Nowhere else recently has a pilot group enjoyed the relative respect of management and/or a comparatively decent contract. Southwest is, of course, the blaring exception. But even they are turning into more of a "legacy" every minute, both in terms of costs and in terms of an increasingly antagonistic pilot/management relationship (that comes along with cutting costs).
Based purely on lessons of the past, our relatively good relationship with our leadership won't last.
So while some of the Widgeteers wonder aghast how a Delta pilot could possibly take exception to the company's PA edict, I look at it a different way.
When (and it's a "WHEN," not an "IF") we have a harsher management team, we don't want to be on record as merrily bending over for whatever they ram up our asses, whether it's been negotiated in the contract or not.
To those of us who think Delta loves us, who think we are beholden to follow wherever management herds us, I say: WAKE UP.
Like Scoop said: We are nothing more than a cost to be minimized (or steamrolled or taken advantage of). Let's not forget it.
And I didn't wear the "wheel hat" for 23 years after it went flying on commissioning day
Purple, have you ever made a positive post? Ever?
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