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Old 11-27-2012, 05:30 PM
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So, is it unionized workers supporting unionized workers. Or, is it unioniods using the union to union angle to support the plausible deniability of why they stay at a high end hotel. Or, is it that if a high end hotel has some unionized workers that's where we must stay. Or, is it that it's okay to spend more money for a hotel if there are unionized workers there even if the workers don't personally receive the money. Or is it that unionized workers don't believe unionized workplaces deserve their support. Or, is it that unionized workers think that unions are unneccesary in certain workplaces. Or, is it that unionized workers think that unionized employers should have lower prices for their products. Or, is it that unions are dinosaurs? I am so confused.

IMO, the union angle is plausible deniability for staying at a high end property. My opinion carries zero weight in the decision of where to stay.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1

IMO, the union angle is plausible deniability for staying at a high end property.
Yep. good points by Scambo and Gunship Guy.

DALPA's self-righteous rationale for choosing a luxurious property for their boondoggles reeks of corruption and hypocrisy.

It's almost as though, after fighting tooth and nail to avoid any measure of transparency, DALPA got together to brainstorm some explanation--any explanation!--that could retroactively justify their extravagance at our expense. Apparently that was the best they could come up with.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:52 PM
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If you dont want to make a PA simply dont make one! Reading way tooooo much into all this....

But I guess the "find evil at every turn" threads need new evils even if completely ridiculous....

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Old 11-27-2012, 05:53 PM
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My opinion isn't proof of anything.

And my rambling previous post picked at ALPA, ACL and Gunship guy.

We are unionized (an association). I believe we benefit from that.

Drank;

Just in case you missed the memo, DPA is dead. Hopefully I'm telling you early enough that you can emotionally recover prior to Christmas.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:58 PM
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I for one, am looking forward to opening day for Qdoba and Willy's in terminal A and B...

over the July 4th weekend!
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
If you dont want to make a PA simply dont make one!
I'll be sure to mention that when I get called in for blowing off something in the FOM.

"Figmo said I simply didn't need to follow this policy."

That should work fine.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
for a guy who supposedly has decades left at the company, you are remarkably short-sighted. It's not just about the PA issue, although that is problematic in and of itself.

If you don't understand the long-term ramifications of the company unilaterally imposing non-contractual obligations upon us with nary a peep from "our" union, there's nothing I can do to help you.

Strategy. It's not just for executives. johnso29 and DALPA, I suggest you look into it.

Here's an idea! Don't do it!!! Just DON'T make the PA's. Who freaking cares? Perhaps you can give me another example of the company "unilaterally imposing non contractual obligations upon us", since it happens so much. In a world of constructive engagement, you learn to pick and choose your battles. This one isn't worth anyone's time.

Do you want the union to attack the company for unilaterally imposing uniform standards. After all, that isn't in our contract.

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Old 11-27-2012, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I sure hope they don't waste a dime of my dues money on the issue.
How many dimes of your dues money should they waste defending a pilot from administration action/dicipline because their newfound superiors (formerly known as gate agents and flight attendants) wrote them up for not complying with what is sure to be interpreted as the "new rule"?

Or should we throw them to the wolves? What if that pilot is you? Or will you always always always make gatehouse announcements every 15 minutes under threat of dicipline? Every single time, without exception?

This is a far bigger deal than you are making it because of the precident it could set as well as the massive erosion of captain's authority created when every single front line employee suddenly has power over you to make gatehouse announcements or else they can write you up for a policy violation.

A memo now will cost a lot less than a single pilot defense, of which there may end up being a lot of because of this very poorly thought out memo.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
I'll be sure to mention that when I get called in for blowing off something in the FOM.

"Figmo said I simply didn't need to follow this policy."

That should work fine.
How about you say you were getting coffee? Using the restroom? Taking a power nap? Walking for exercise? All physiological needs that overtake the necessity of anyone making a PA. My gawd! Stop whining.

Did it ever occur to you that the union isn't addressing this issue because an extremely small percentage of the pilot group are the only ones that think it's a terrible inconvienence?
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:21 PM
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Would Denzel make a gatehouse PA?

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