Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-03-2012 | 08:29 AM
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12-03-2012 | 08:36 AM
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VA wouldn't change. Singapore has 49% right now but 0 Singapore pilots fly for VA, why would you think it would change when Delta owns 49%? We might put our own airplanes on some routes into LHR, but probably only by pulling out of other places we go now.
On another note, this looks like a nice new travel bag:
On another note, this looks like a nice new travel bag:
12-03-2012 | 08:58 AM
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Im sorry you feel that way. Im calling it how I see it.
You and Rogue are both big boys, dont get too insulted.
As for Sink r8's request, my opinion is that the company should buy us the equipment since it is their initiative to drastically change the way our literature is being viewed (books-->electronic format). But since there are many pilots currently using their own personal devices, maybe I am in the 38% minority again
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You and Rogue are both big boys, dont get too insulted.As for Sink r8's request, my opinion is that the company should buy us the equipment since it is their initiative to drastically change the way our literature is being viewed (books-->electronic format). But since there are many pilots currently using their own personal devices, maybe I am in the 38% minority again
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On a side note, a FA friend of mine told me that they are getting a tablet device so that they can garnish the company more revenue while on board. That is all of the details I got, but it seems that they are moving toward at least purchasing the FA's/or the 720 some odd mainline jets tablets.
12-03-2012 | 09:20 AM
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12-03-2012 | 09:24 AM
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12-03-2012 | 09:38 AM
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Here's a list of Virgin Atlantic cities. Looks like we serve most of them already, just not from London.
Accra
Cape Town
Dubai
Johannesburg
Lagos
Delhi
Hong Kong
Mumbai
Shanghai
Tokyo
Sydney
Antiqua
Barbados
Cancun
Grenada
Jamaica
St. Lucia
Tobago
Havana
Glasgow
London (Heathrow and Gatwick)
Manchester
Boston
Chicago
Las Vegas
Los Angeles
Miami
New York
Orlando
San Francisco
Vancouver
Washington
Accra
Cape Town
Dubai
Johannesburg
Lagos
Delhi
Hong Kong
Mumbai
Shanghai
Tokyo
Sydney
Antiqua
Barbados
Cancun
Grenada
Jamaica
St. Lucia
Tobago
Havana
Glasgow
London (Heathrow and Gatwick)
Manchester
Boston
Chicago
Las Vegas
Los Angeles
Miami
New York
Orlando
San Francisco
Vancouver
Washington
The contract protects us to at least current levels of LHR flying, and VA doesn't seem to be growing (though they are upping the size of their aircraft)... it will be interesting to see the codeshare LOA that is negotiated.
12-03-2012 | 09:43 AM
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12-03-2012 | 09:50 AM
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Its interesting that the MEC passed the code share on the first vote with 100 percent voting for it. Most complaining don't even seem to understand it. Delta has one marginal route to Australia that we have been unable so far to make profitable year round. The route has been on the chopping block for a long time. The current agreement on code shares would allow the company to link with VB and not consult us in any way. They could have up to 28 flights a week verses our 7 flights. The newly signed agreement limits VB to 21 flights a week. If they exceed that Delta's share of the flying goes up. To get 28 flights a week on VB Delta would have to have 14 flights. Overall a much better deal. The other thing is the amount of passengers this will funnel into Domestic US flights. Something that this forum never even considers on codeshares yet is very important.
Virgin does have some A380's on order. They are there to replace 747's. They also have 787's on order however they will replace larger A340's. They have no real fleet growth planned and are losing money. Branson is rumored to be getting tired of his airline empire sucking cash out of the rest of his business activities and wants out. A deal to purchase VA might also allow for the shutdown or sale of Virgin America. They have extremely low pay rates and our depressing yields in many key transcon markets.
Virgin does have some A380's on order. They are there to replace 747's. They also have 787's on order however they will replace larger A340's. They have no real fleet growth planned and are losing money. Branson is rumored to be getting tired of his airline empire sucking cash out of the rest of his business activities and wants out. A deal to purchase VA might also allow for the shutdown or sale of Virgin America. They have extremely low pay rates and our depressing yields in many key transcon markets.
The fact is there is room to grow Australian flights with very large type aircraft and we are letting V-Australia take that. As far as them feeding our domestic flights- this is going to be another significant case where codeshare pax are placed on other codeshare airlines without ever touching DL metal. The VAaussie flights are going to places where AS has the primary presence, not DL.
Now, as far as V-Atlantic- They have 38 aircraft with an average age of just over 6 years. 13 744s, 6 A343s, and 19 A346's.
They have 6 380s on order and 15 787-9 (note: not the 8) on order. That is only partial replacement, and the 787-9 is of like capacity and greater haul ability to the 343.
I don't see V-Atlantic as growing, though- I see this as a JAL type deal to get Skyteam access to LHR. The best news is this gets Skyteam a jump on LHR access over UA (Star).
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12-03-2012 | 10:07 AM
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IF.....and that's a big if.
If we do the Virgin Atlantic thingie, it will be just another KLM thing. We MAY get a few more flights into Britain but the beyond flying will still be on VA.
Just like the JAL deal, if it would have worked, would have been a good deal for us only because the profit sharing check would have gone up. But it will result in little to no growth for us, only keeps United and American on the ropes .....or less maneuvering room.
My firm grasp of the obvious for today.
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If we do the Virgin Atlantic thingie, it will be just another KLM thing. We MAY get a few more flights into Britain but the beyond flying will still be on VA.
Just like the JAL deal, if it would have worked, would have been a good deal for us only because the profit sharing check would have gone up. But it will result in little to no growth for us, only keeps United and American on the ropes .....or less maneuvering room.
My firm grasp of the obvious for today.
Ferd
12-03-2012 | 10:17 AM
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IF.....and that's a big if.
If we do the Virgin Atlantic thingie, it will be just another KLM thing. We MAY get a few more flights into Britain but the beyond flying will still be on VA.
Just like the JAL deal, if it would have worked, would have been a good deal for us only because the profit sharing check would have gone up. But it will result in little to no growth for us, only keeps United and American on the ropes .....or less maneuvering room.
My firm grasp of the obvious for today.
Ferd
If we do the Virgin Atlantic thingie, it will be just another KLM thing. We MAY get a few more flights into Britain but the beyond flying will still be on VA.
Just like the JAL deal, if it would have worked, would have been a good deal for us only because the profit sharing check would have gone up. But it will result in little to no growth for us, only keeps United and American on the ropes .....or less maneuvering room.
My firm grasp of the obvious for today.
Ferd
NW/KLM type flying is the stated goal of marketing with less point-point flying, and this will be the same type deal. American with OneWorld (BA) has the biggest foothold in LHR. This would put DL in distant second, thus forcing UA to a very distant 3rd.
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