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Old 03-19-2013 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
I understand your point, but if Richard was getting a raise, and ALPA went to management and said the same thing - "you know Richard, we are all getting a 3% pay raise next year plus 1% DC, we think for the good of the company there should be a company policy that management should only get the same percentage. And if you're stock option pay say, 10%, you should get no pay raise because you got your compensation some other way".

hey would reject that in a second. Management would say, "we need to pay management high dollar so we attract and retain top personnel".

The "Me too" line only works because ALPA allows it to work. We do not do the same job as FAs and should not necessarily get paid the same way.
You mean like this?

"American Airlines is defending a plan to pay its departing chief executive a severance payout of nearly $20 million after the airline completes a merger with US Airways.

In a statement, American Airlines spokesman Mike Trevino said the payout is among "arrangements designed to motivate a strong management team..."

American Airlines defends $20-million severance pay to CEO - latimes.com
Old 03-19-2013 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
You mean like this?

"American Airlines is defending a plan to pay its departing chief executive a severance payout of nearly $20 million after the airline completes a merger with US Airways.

In a statement, American Airlines spokesman Mike Trevino said the payout is among "arrangements designed to motivate a strong management team..."

American Airlines defends $20-million severance pay to CEO - latimes.com

IOW, Horton is being rewarded for his horrendous performance. Gotta love the "good ole boys" club. What a joke.
Old 03-19-2013 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Almost as worthless as the survey asking us what to call "quick turns." I took it and chose "quick turn." I hope we're not paying these people a lot to develop these surveys.
I don't think they liked my recommendation of Deferred On-Time Passenger Arrival Recovery Procedure.

If they are serious about improving quick turns perhaps they can give stand-down orders to the Aircraft Cleaners Brigade.
Old 03-19-2013 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
IOW, Horton is being rewarded for his horrendous performance. Gotta love the "good ole boys" club. What a joke.

Why make any statement at all? Just take the money and shove it in your pockets. The AAmerican WAAy!!!!
Old 03-19-2013 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
You mean the sane and rational position held by a majority of Delta pilots outside the broken promise generation?

There must be like...63% of pilots collecting FPL.

I know it feels good to find people with your extremist views. But what's so wrong with agreeing with ALPA? You must really want all those dues dollars back. Really, really bad.

Who/What constitutes the Broken promise generation and is that a mainstream view?

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Old 03-19-2013 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Why make any statement at all? Just take the money and shove it in your pockets. The AAmerican WAAy!!!!

They didn't want to make the statement, but someone on the AA Bankruptcy Creditor's Committee is trying to deny poor Horton his $20Million.

That's why AA is now trying to justify it. (from the article)

"After the merger is completed, Horton will be replaced by US Airways Chief Executive Doug Parker and will take the post of board chairman for the new airline.

But the trustee overseeing the bankruptcy objected to the payout, saying that bankruptcy code requires the airline to first explain why it is making sweeping changes to its payment policies."

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Old 03-19-2013 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
I think we should be mortified that "our" union not only admits that our compensation is tied to the FAs' compensation, but actually seems to condone the notion.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Can you produce anything to back up your statements above from the union.
I've heard DAL-s union officials say exactly what you said below:

Originally Posted by sailingfun
They get me too pay on everything. Get over it. Its not going to change.
You and the other DALPA apologists use this line of thinking constantly as a weapon to beat back any attempts at getting more than COLA increases. And you do this in spite of the fact that "me too" is a verbal myth that is contained nowhere in writing that I've ever seen.

The question everyone should ask themselves is...why do you and our union do this?

Carl
Old 03-19-2013 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We don't get paid the same. We get paid a lot more and have a much better retirement.
That's not what I said -

Originally Posted by iaflyer
The "Me too" line only works because ALPA allows it to work. We do not do the same job as FAs and should not necessarily get paid the same way.
I'm talking about pay with the door being closed vs beacon vs GPS out or whatever. You were saying "If we get door pay I can assure you the flight attendants will get the same." We do different jobs and just because WE might want to get paid when the door closes doesn't mean they need to be.
Old 03-19-2013 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
let's start with your last several posts, and go from there.

And don't tell us you're not speaking for ALPA. Hogwash. You are clearly communicating its position on the matter.
I don't work for ALPA in any capacity. The only ALPA work I have done in my entire career was strike coordinator for the area where I live back in 01. I am way to lazy and could not afford to take the cut in pay they do to consider ALPA work. I am just thankful some are willing to make the sacrifice for me. Also my posts did not convey what you say. My posts only convey how I view management when they look at cost items we might want. I have no doubt management has to consider all the effects of every item. If they don't they are very bad at the job they do. I don't speak for ALPA in any way and have never had a single communication from ALPA asking me to post anything on any forum.
Again I ask you to produce any statement from the union.
My bet is also still good on flight pay loss if you want to put some money on your facts!
Old 03-19-2013 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I've heard DAL-s union officials say exactly what you said below:



You and the other DALPA apologists use this line of thinking constantly as a weapon to beat back any attempts at getting more than COLA increases. And you do this in spite of the fact that "me too" is a verbal myth that is contained nowhere in writing that I've ever seen.

The question everyone should ask themselves is...why do you and our union do this?

Carl
Carl, Within minutes of signing the last contract the company announced that the July raise was being increased to match the pilot raise. They also announced a unexpected raise on 1 Jan tied into reducing the profit sharing for all employees. Within a week of the contract being signed they announced increased vacation and training pay, increased per diem among other items for the FA's.
In the past many items have been given to others once we got them. When we finally got the jumpseat the flight attendants were given the jumpseat days later. When we won a grievance on pass charges and the company had to refund large amounts to many pilots they gave the same refund to all employees. I could go on and on. Every contract that I have been involved with at Delta as a pilot carried down in some form or another to non pilots. If you believe otherwise then you don't know the history of the airline.
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