Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? - Page 1171

#11701

Scoop , 08-05-2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Also, we need to do this now when there is a management team in place that sees a limited role for the RJ. Do we really want to fight this when we get a Leo-esque leader back at the helm?

Leo should not ever appear in the same sentence as leader.

Scoop

#11702

acl65pilot , 08-05-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoop

Leo should not ever appear in the same sentence as leader.

Scoop

True, but one that shares his like minded leadership ability could be the next one here at DAL. We need to look at that eventuality as well.

#11703

Scoop , 08-05-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Good post.

The point of good scope is to protect OUR jobs, not ensure that others lose theirs to spread the pain around.

Our MEC is dead set against scope restoration. My understanding is that LM is concerned that some "single issue" guy will win and break up the "vote by acclimation" culture on outsourcing our jobs. First of all, I resent the implication that scope hawks are simple minded "single issue" dolts who fail to understand why "outsourcing is good."

In contrast this "outsourcing is good" policy is extremely short sighted. If anyone is a "single issue" person, it is those folks who are willing to negotiate away another person's job to try to benefit theirs for the last ten years before they retire. That person's "single issue" is their own self interest.

LM should be leading the campaign to take scope back and in doing so reinforcing and preserving our negotiating power going forward.

Bottom line - the questions of DC9's and 5500 series 757 retirements have not been answered. I'm with ACL, if the enemy abandons high ground, move our troops in and strengthen positions. There will be more attempts to run our scope blockade.

Superb Post! Bonus points for the righteous use of that unsung hero of nouns, the often overlooked, yet highly descriptive "dolt."

Scoop

#11704

8CherryGarcia , 08-05-2009 11:48 AM

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I got the info on the DTW 755 base from one of the North TWG guys...essentially it is just the new name of the existing category and thus I don't think it is included in the Aug AE for the south...they had to call our 757 guys something ( I believe MSP will do the same). And since recall rights, etc are involved for a short time, it had to made unique.

I didn't pay too much attention to the AE talk as I still am a little fuzzy on the mechanics of that, but I take it that all displacees get first dibs at vacancies, per se, and then bidders. And most of the displacement will come from the 767 domestic...

As for our final APA (for Dec flying), the ANC shutdown will have to be accounted for along with our usual autumn fall back, but the PRIPS will take some of the sting out of that.

Also, Dickson said that overtime, efficiencies in the "new" contract will smooth it out, but initially, getting the new pay/credit rigs will soak up some extra bodies from the North.

He also mentioned that the AE in Jan (or shortly thereafter) would involve a long window to allow for flexibility. I've got to read up on this AE process...it seems to be a lot more vague and unpredictable than what us Northies were used to.

And there was a lot of pizza left over...

8

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Originally Posted by iaflyer

Thanks for going and taking notes - I had to commute to JFK on the 10am flight, so couldn't make the meeting.

Did the 757DTW base sound like it was coming on the August AE or further down the road?

#11705

Scoop , 08-05-2009 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

True, but one that shares his like minded leadership ability could be the next one here at DAL. We need to look at that eventuality as well.

ACL your post is correct, but Leo never demonstrated leadership of any sort. I will buy off on him as a (mis)manager. Leaders "lead" people, managers "manage" things - although subtle, there is a difference. Aside from that; however, I am 100% in agreement with the spirit of your post.

Scoop

#11706

Sink r8 , 08-05-2009 12:08 PM

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We Have a Monopoly on Smoked-Filled Rooms?

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Originally Posted by Nosmo King

The "vote by acclamation" culture is also why DALPA business is done in smoke filled rooms, behind closed doors. My personal opinion is that it would have sent a much better message if outsourcing fails, regardless of by how many votes. Next best would be that even if it passes, a recorded vote is published showing LOTS of dissent by some of the MEC. That would also send a strong message to the company. A vote by acclamation is supposed to be a smokescreen intended for management, but ends up obscuring everything from the people being represented.

You're losing me here.

1) What do you mean mean by outsourcing "failing"? Are you talking about the 76-seat settlement?

2) You think a spilt vote sends a strong message to the company? I might agree a split vote sends a message to the company, but it is the kind of strong message a wounded elk sends a wolf-pack when it limps behind the herd.

3) How do you then factor in the fact that the entire MEC voted to support the agreement? For the record, I don't like that agreement, and I especially loathe the way it was promoted. It was a very poor calculation. But still, I have to recognize that the MEC voted unanimously for it. AND I have to recognize it's rather helpful now, when the possibility of furloughs hangs in the balance, so precariously close to the possibility of not furloughing. Turns out it was reasonably good insurance.

4) How do you know so much about the way DALPA "does things"? I've been here for some time, and never have I heard the term "culture of acclamation" until I read it today. I've never heard anything to suggested our "smoke-filled-rooms" got used any more frequently than those at any other airline, nor have I heard that they were more crowded.

#11707

cfitstew , 08-05-2009 12:13 PM

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Personally, I think DCI shrinking is a good thing. The less airplanes that say "Express", "Connection", or "----Link" flying around out there the better it will be for the profession. In the end, less regional flying will ultimately lead to more mainline flying and I'm all for that. And I work at a DCI carrier.

#11708

Sink r8 , 08-05-2009 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cfitstew

Well said.

#11709

johnso29 , 08-05-2009 12:28 PM

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The JFK operation is an embarassment. They put our DC9 on a hardstand, as a result we left late because they bussed the pax out to us (embarassing) & it's a flat out Charlie Foxtrot. What a joke.

OK, I'm done venting.

#11710

sailingfun , 08-05-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Refund:

Seniority rules, but my understanding is the displacements are run first. You can't advance into an opening that does not exist. You can displace and make an opening by forcing someone junior to you out.

If you are trying to bid a new base that you think you'll want to stay at, you might want to bid the following:

Advanced Entitlement to Base/Equipment/Seat
Voluntary Displacement to Base/Equipment/Seat

If you are not sure you want to stay there, then bid a Mandatory Displacement to Base/Equipment/Seat to avoid getting locked.

Advance entitlement are run first. THen the displacements. Some pilots could be awarded a advance entitlement and then lose the slot when displacments are run. I learned this the hard way when I was on a aircraft that was going away and the entire category was shut down. I did not even look at my advance entitlement page because I assumed displacements were run first. Big mistake on my part and resulted in a extra trip to Virginia Ave for 6 weeks.