gmcd05

It seems that there are bad feelings all around between comair and delta pilots, and I think that both sides may have legitimate issues. A staple may not have been completely fair to comair back then, and DOH certainly wouldnt have been fair to the delta guys. Instead of disparaging comair and saying "that is no place to have a career", realize that many people HAVE indeed made a career of it due to sheer timing or personal choices. There is no need to look down on these people and say that "flying CVG-CLE or whatever bum-**** place you guys fly to" isnt worth your time. Honestly, if I was working a 6-figure job at a reasonable point in my career like that, I would not see my life as a complete failure. Lets have some perspective here. There are many people in far worse positions, both in and out of aviation.

Most importantly, what good does holding a grudge this far in the future do you? If you were to not hire comair guys soley based on perception of the group rather than the real qualities of an individual, you would be selling your own airline short. I agree there may have been cause for animosity in the past, but really can't everyone just give it up? Instead why not talk about something constructive, like how the world's largest airline might work creatively to recapture ALL flying under one employee group. Talk about ideas like having two separate hiring points, or some blending of the bottom of the seniority lists with the wholly owned's, and some sort of multi-year equipment class lock.

Wouldn't it be nice to take back scope without furloughing the thousands of pilots at your own wholly owned B-scale airlines? Sorry for the rant and subsequent thread diversion. I didn't mean to drag this up right after more interesting updates had been hinted at, but I believe this forum should be a place for pilot's to collaborate to find real solutions to the problems facing today's industry.

You may now ignore me and return to your regularly scheduled latest and greatest about delta

Bucking Bar

Tip of the hat in your direction for your excellent points!

smitty145

Buzz,

A disclaimer: I'm a Delta guy, and I never worked for Comair. With that said, who gives a crap if CVG-CLE is a little jet or a big jet, as long as the pilots in the cockpit are DELTA PILOTS earning a DELTA WAGE!
This "I only want to fly the big jets" mentality is the attitude that started the decay of a once very lucrative career. What we need is ALL Delta planes flying ALL Delta routes with ALL Delta pilots. Only then will we have ONE voice to demand a wage we deserve.
Would you fly CVG-CLE in a "little jet" if it paid more than a 767 to Paris?

FlyingViking

No, but that's just me. If it was up to me you would be paid by the years you where employed and not the equipment you where on. There is not a reason in the world you should make more $$$ on a 747 than what you do on a DC-9, other than what we (ALPA) created on our own. The training and responsibility is the same, so should the pay be. Unfortunately most of us believe that we should get paid more because of the fact that we make a higher revenue and profit. We are not trained, nor hired, to create profit or to fill up airplanes, we are hired to bring an aircraft from point A to point B by the safest and most efficient way possible. Bring my pay idea to the table and EVERYBODY would benefit, including the company's bottom line.

acl65pilot

I agree 100%.
Fact is that this is done in other parts of the world. That is why the young guys are flying across the pond and the senior ones are doing day turns.


AS for OH. What One man did was unprofessional to put it mildly, what was worse is no one stopped him.

Fact is that DAL interviewed plenty of OH pilots. They show no discrimination, because it is illegal. Every OH pilot was afforded the same opportunities as the next pilot.
I am sure that if DAL ever furloughed again, they would not do what they did. In effect, lesson learned.

satchip

New Sky Team Medallion Program looks very interesting. The rollover feature is huge and hopefully will entice some premium passengers from our competition. Delta 2010 SkyMiles Medallion Program to Launch Industry-First Rollover Elite Qualification Miles, Diamond Medallion Status - Yahoo! Finance

smitty145

I agree about the pay by yos! Kinda like UPS. My point was not that last sentence, but rather to point out an arrogance that sent good paying Delta jobs to lower paying companies. Companies that produced all-stars like Lawson and the RJDC crowd!
My point is scope. It should read: All Delta flying will be done by pilots on the Delta Air Lines pilots' seniority list.

INAV8OR

Here we go another pilot saying, "oh look how hard it was for me to get to Big D" . I spent 10 yrs at that dump (comair), and finally got on to NWA--now I am at DAL. And I don't owe anyone for my number but myself and experience.

acl65pilot

Well FWIW, we may see a "new" base for DAL-S guys on this AE......

I will not get into the new vs NEW debate again.

smitty145

Near big lakes or big oceans??