Originally Posted by johnso29

And that didn't have anything to do with why you posted it?

Originally Posted by flyallnite

All we can do as pilots is put the heat on our union to make sure we negotiate protections for us in light of this agreement.

Originally Posted by hoserpilot

Did you read what I wrote or just press delete? I wrote JV's blow. She was blowing a bubble. Not even photoshopped. So if I post a pic of a big phalic looking rock in Sedona you'll delete that too? Gmafb. Maybe next you'll delete a pic of a hot dog or two balloons. If that post was from FTB you'd laugh and say, "what a great find!"

Originally Posted by Scoop

NAHHHH,

ALPA is too busy trying to keep Pilot minimums as low as possible to help DCI management. After all, if Congress, despite ALPAs resistance, were to raise minimums, Pilot compensation might have to rise and we wouldn't want that, would we?

I guess ALPA was absent the day they taught supply and demand in school.

Originally Posted by johnso29

No. I wouldn't. I would have deleted the same pic regardless of who posted it. To make your point you could pick any picture of someone blowing any bubble, yet you picked a bubble which looked exactly like a male sex organ. Why? Why that pic? You couldn't find any other pic of someone blowing a bubble?

I'm sorry you feel singled out, but I feel I'm a fair moderator. Do I miss things? Absolutely. But if our users utilize the "report post" function then a mod will see it, & if it violates TOS they'll take proper action. Find a pic of a bubble that doesn't look like adult content and I'll leave it alone.

Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate

There is the potential for our flying out of JFK to be diluted while being capacity/metal neutral or balanced in a JV. This could affect NYC based ER crews adversely depending on which base picks up the flying.

Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate

Either someone knew about this and didn't brief the LEC's, or the highly vaunted engagement with management failed to inform the MEC of this little development. I hope it is the latter because the implications of the former are troublesome.

Originally Posted by slowplay

There's some other possibilities that you haven't mentioned, like the MSP reps were briefed but don't remember because they were too busy practical joking and zip-tying people's luggage together, or they misrepresented their lack of knowlege. Yeah, the implications are troublesome.

Ask them about the great prank with the sex toy in front of female staff members....

Originally Posted by flyallnite

Here is what I think about that:

U.S.-LHR: We won't lose what we have now. By coordinating schedules with VA and eventually pricing, we'll be able to move much more traffic onto the DL system, where we make 100 percent of the profits. The passenger in England is no longer obliged to take BA and therefore American to get to Des Moines. In the long run, it may allow for larger aircraft and more flights for us to LHR. Do I want that VA A380 in Atlanta? The answer is a qualified yes. Yes, if we don't reduce our service in that market accordingly, because I want that A380 full of passengers that otherwise would have flown AA or United to be on Delta when they connect.

Asia: VA not really a big player there, and LHR isn't really a big connecting point from the US to Asia. That's why Singapore sold their share, it just was too far afield to do anything with.

Caribbean: I think we stand to gain. DL flies all over the Caribbean, and by gaining access to the huge, number one market in England, we now are able to fill those flights with more people- see ATL above. I don't think VA can really feed their network into or out of the Caribbean without us.

Africa: AF/KLM provides more service to the Continent than anyone. If you are traveling from the US, DL has direct service. So I don't think Africa will change much at all as a result of the JV with VA, not a gain or loss there.


Will Virgin Atlantic grow as a result of this? Probably yes. Will they fly to more US markets? Probably yes. But I do think we'll see some growth as a result also. Some of that will be more narrow bodies flying ATL to Jamaica. Some will be bigger profits. Some I hope will be new service to LHR from previously unserved markets. Some will be bigger corporate contracts.

Sir Richard was notably absent from the press conference. He is a visionary, a maverick, and a hell of a showman. But he's not an airline executive. He has dyslexia. The last thing he wants is some analyst asking him questions about a spreadsheet. He built a great brand. His genius is knowing that he needs an expert to save it. Delta is arguably the best run airline in the world today. RA is arguably the best CEO. It speaks volumes that Sir Richard was not present at the announcement. We just picked up a brand that is loved and admired around the world, and slots at the most desirable airport in the world for the price that UCAL paid for 4 flights to LHR, and now they are dead last in the market and the music has stopped.

Originally Posted by flyallnite

Do I think we should have sent the TA back to the company as 'undercooked'? Yes, I do, and I voted accordingly. But we have the agreement now and we'll all have to live with the ramifications of that. Would the alternative have been better? We'll never know, and I don't claim to have that answer either.