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Old 12-12-2012 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Said the pot.....
Man oh man...I don't read every single post in this whole thing like some do, but some of the posts you've written on here have been among the most arrogant, condescending bits of text I've seen on the entire internet.
Old 12-12-2012 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Said the pot.....
Unfortunately quoting beats the ignore filter...

He has made some real "varsity" comments, hasn't he.

Nice that he chastises for condescension when on the same page he admits he's being snarky in his arguments with those trying to provide some factual info.
Old 12-12-2012 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Some of the last few posts have made me cringe.

I'm just a nobody and I don't have any power, not a moderator or anything like that but I have a humble suggestion about the philosophy on here regarding people's identity.
I think its important to keep up at least the pretense of anonymity on here.
I know its a pretty thin fig leaf sometimes but I would urge people not to post stuff that would identify individuals with their screen names. If somebody wants to out themselves then that is fine, but I don't think someone else should out them.

On a related note, I think its silly to use some of the initials the way we do. For instance, why say that the President of ALPA is "LM"? That's just dumb. The elected officials and even committee guys sign up for those positions fully expecting to be publicly criticised or praised or whatever. It comes with the territory. I think we should go ahead and say their names.

If I want to say that Lee Moak or Kingsley Roberts is a bum then it should be OK to say it. They ran for public office. They are big boys. They can take it.

What I don't think we should do is identify who is who by associating them with their anonymous screen name on this board.

I don't want to know who any of you guys are.

Sorry for the rant. just my 2 cents.
I think Boomer is a bum. Just sayin'. He should out himself at least by PM to the interested parties.

But I agree with what you said in priciple. I don't want to know who Timbo is...at least not on here. And that anonymous acl65 where did he come from? Who the H,E, double toothpicks is Buzzpat?

Heck the rest, I don't care about either. You can tell when the MEC guys come on here, but it isn't important to know who they are. In fact, sometimes its more fun to duel with them anonymously. If Slow and Alfa are back on the line, great, but I dont dislike them even though often I disagree with them. Flying Delta jets is a good job with good folks.

Anonymity is good for everyone here.




Except Boomer.

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Old 12-12-2012 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Said the pot.....
kicked out? quit? I don't care. good riddance.
you have been the purveyor of the most dishonest, condescending, and arrogant tripe--it defies comprehension.

As far as I can tell, you never advocated for the line pilot. You were all about protecting your "good ol' boy" network at DALPA, and keeping your cushy situation intact.

AMF.
Old 12-12-2012 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
kicked out? quit? I don't care. good riddance.
you have been the purveyor of the most dishonest, condescending, and arrogant tripe--it defies comprehension.

As far as I can tell, you never advocated for the line pilot. You were all about protecting your "good ol' boy" network at DALPA, and keeping your cushy situation intact.

AMF.
Dude? I love a good devil's advocate, but take it down half a notch. Things really aren't that bad . . . .
Old 12-12-2012 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Sailing;

Is it not completely apparent to you that there has been gross stagnation at Delta?

While his quote may be an exageration, at some airlines it is not an exageration at all...Hawaiian being one, Air France another, probably Virgin, and likely others with whom we are allied.

Our company is shrivelling and it is not without the assistance of the only bargaining agent we have.

People talk about Virgin Capts being so poorly paid. I'd like to know how quick their upgrades have been, time value of money and all. Hawaiian has 2004 A330 Captains.

We are married to this company. That doesn't mean we should just bend over. Some of us just aren't in the mood for that. We do what we can to help DAL succeed, but with record dollars coming in, our acquiescence has resulted in further marginalization of the DAL pilots.
Yet the facts don't back up the posts on this forum. You can't compare a airline that had 25 aircraft and now has 43 (HA) with a airline that has 700 aircraft in a growth discussion. Sure there has been some growth at small niche airlines. Virgin has been stagnate for a while. AF is shrinking and going to spin off a bunch of flying to a low cost new airline if they even survive in their current form. The mainline block hours at Delta are almost exactly the same as at the merger despite the posts here. Seniority list numbers are down but the reasons have been explained. Working pilot numbers which is what counts are not down.
Since the merger with NW the economy has been one of the worst overall since the great depression. Show me a airline with operations comparable to Delta that has been in a large growth mode since 2007. Emerates is perhaps the closest example but they are a very different operation from Delta. Every airline in our class has furloughed. We did not.
There is no doubt that there has been stagnation to the extreme. You say its all DALPA's fault and I think its the economy. We are each entitled to our opinions. I tend to be a results oriented person. Since the merger with NW Delta has not furloughed a single pilot. We are one of two US airlines to achieve meaningful improvements in our contract. We will be up over 30 percent in pay over that time period. The next best airline in the industry will be SW up 7 percent. No one else will be up a dime until the UAL contract is ratified. We have made numerous improvements in quality of life in the contract. When I look at results I always compare them to how other subsets are doing. By any measure we have been light years more successful then other comparable airlines.
We just signed a contract that so far is delivering exactly as promised. We are adding pilots, we are adding Captains jobs. For the first time we have meaningful growth. The last two bids added net Captains jobs and the next bid will really have a substantial addition. That will be followed by similar bids for the next several years all based on growth in mainline block hours. At that point retirements kick in with a bang. Not one other US airline has a future looking as bright.
Again everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that we weathered one of the worst periods in US history for airlines far better then anyone else and are now poised for the growth we all are desperate to see. If the economy turns around the resulting movement could be far better then the eighties boom times.
in 2005 I was planning my new career after Delta shut down. I tend to be a optimist but I could not imagine Delta would be where it is today back then and that was without knowing that the future held a massive economic crash. Again for me its all about results.
Old 12-12-2012 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I think Boomer is a bum. Just sayin'. He should out himself at least by PM to the interested parties.

But I agree with what you said in priciple. I don't want to know who Timbo is...at least not on here. And that anonymous acl65 where did he come from? Who the H,E, double toothpicks is Buzzpat?

Heck the rest, I don't care about either. You can tell when the MEC guys come on here, but it isn't important to know who they are. In fact, sometimes its more fun to duel with them anonymously. If Slow and Alfa are back on the line, great, but I dont dislike them even though often I disagree with them. Flying Delta jets is a good job with good folks.

Anonymity is good for everyone here.




Except Boomer.
Well said. I agree with you and Check. It is an anonymous board, EOS.
Old 12-12-2012 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by contrails
Man oh man...I don't read every single post in this whole thing like some do, but some of the posts you've written on here have been among the most arrogant, condescending bits of text I've seen on the entire internet.
Meaning I disagreed with you. It is funny how the most vocal people on the forum have absolutely no ability to absorb incoming. I just don't follow the rules that people like you try to enforce; if you have one point of view you can attack and belittle and if you have another point of view you have to be polite and meek. Mostly people think it is arrogance when I support my views with facts and don't rely on rumor and innuendo.

Look at Mr. Nu Guy who goes nuclear when I merely post the actual facts about staffing as opposed to "gut feeling." Where are the forum police when that happens? Yeah, nowhere to be found because his point of view conforms to your own. Go back and look at what 80ktsclamp has posted about me and then make a neutral judgement on who plays the attack game. There are way too many guys on here that can dish it out but can't take it.
Old 12-12-2012 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I don't want to know who Timbo is...at least not on here.

That's not what your Mamma said!
Old 12-12-2012 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Yet the facts don't back up the posts on this forum. You can't compare a airline that had 25 aircraft and now has 43 (HA) with a airline that has 700 aircraft in a growth discussion. Sure there has been some growth at small niche airlines. Virgin has been stagnate for a while. AF is shrinking and going to spin off a bunch of flying to a low cost new airline if they even survive in their current form. The mainline block hours at Delta are almost exactly the same as at the merger despite the posts here. Seniority list numbers are down but the reasons have been explained. Working pilot numbers which is what counts are not down.
Since the merger with NW the economy has been one of the worst overall since the great depression. Show me a airline with operations comparable to Delta that has been in a large growth mode since 2007. Emerates is perhaps the closest example but they are a very different operation from Delta. Every airline in our class has furloughed. We did not.
There is no doubt that there has been stagnation to the extreme. You say its all DALPA's fault and I think its the economy. We are each entitled to our opinions. I tend to be a results oriented person. Since the merger with NW Delta has not furloughed a single pilot. We are one of two US airlines to achieve meaningful improvements in our contract. We will be up over 30 percent in pay over that time period. The next best airline in the industry will be SW up 7 percent. No one else will be up a dime until the UAL contract is ratified. We have made numerous improvements in quality of life in the contract. When I look at results I always compare them to how other subsets are doing. By any measure we have been light years more successful then other comparable airlines.
We just signed a contract that so far is delivering exactly as promised. We are adding pilots, we are adding Captains jobs. For the first time we have meaningful growth. The last two bids added net Captains jobs and the next bid will really have a substantial addition. That will be followed by similar bids for the next several years all based on growth in mainline block hours. At that point retirements kick in with a bang. Not one other US airline has a future looking as bright.
Again everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that we weathered one of the worst periods in US history for airlines far better then anyone else and are now poised for the growth we all are desperate to see. If the economy turns around the resulting movement could be far better then the eighties boom times.
in 2005 I was planning my new career after Delta shut down. I tend to be a optimist but I could not imagine Delta would be where it is today back then and that was without knowing that the future held a massive economic crash. Again for me its all about results.
Thanks for the thought out post, even if some don't agree.
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