I had a TA question that I never asked.
Why if we negotiated good rates for the 737 and 777 to capture the efficiency those aircraft offered, why did the 717 (more efficient) get the same rates as the DC-9. Isn't it a little bigger too?

12-19-2012 | 07:50 AM

#118353

Superpilot92

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From: Guppy Commander

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotFrog

The 717 isn't bigger than the dc9-50's. same capacity if not less on the 717

12-19-2012 | 08:05 AM

#118354

SailorJerry

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From: A big one that looks like a little one

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Originally Posted by PilotFrog

Slightly smaller actually. I'm pretty sure it's a DC-9-30 fuselage. It'll be interesting to see them next to each other.

Before I ask a rhetorical question - I think what you're seeing is the beginning of pay banding at Delta. The 717 niche is right there with the DC-9. Plus all the Pinnacle pilots pouring through the floodgates (LoL) will be used to making peanuts and flying 6 leg days.

Rhetorically - the company knew the category would open in ATL and with well over a third of the pilots desiring to be ATL based, they knew they had no incentive to bump the pay on the fancy new jet to attract the pilots. Strategically speaking, what negotiating leverage do you see us not using during negotiations to support higher wages for a smaller jet that people are going to pile onto?

12-19-2012 | 08:15 AM

#118355

80ktsClamp

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From: Poodle Whisperer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

The 717 isn't bigger than the dc9-50's. same capacity if not less on the 717

It's 2 rows shorter than a DC-9-30, IIRC.

12-19-2012 | 08:16 AM

#118356

sailingfun

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Originally Posted by boog123

So the "next" bid will be the big one for all the upgrades. Not the "next" bid, but the "next, next" bid.

The next bid to be posted will have a significant increase in mainline captains jobs. The largest in the last 12 years.

12-19-2012 | 08:19 AM

#118357

80ktsClamp

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From: Poodle Whisperer

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

The next bid to be posted will have a significant increase in mainline captains jobs. The largest in the last 12 years.

Always the next bid, isn't it?

12-19-2012 | 08:27 AM

#118358

forgot to bid

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From: Light Chop

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

The next bid to be posted will have a significant increase in mainline captains jobs. The largest in the last 12 years.

well look at ATL alone, 100 new 717 Captains. .. and at least 85 lost 767 Captain slots and unknown number of lost 320 Captain slots.

Since we’re not hiring, doesn't that mean its all a wash?

12-19-2012 | 08:28 AM

#118359

Bainite

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From: Short Bus FO

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

The next bid to be posted will have a significant increase in mainline captains jobs. The largest in the last 12 years.

Yep, when you park those wide body planes with more FO's than Capts and replace them with 717's and 737's, you need more Capts. That's good if you're high enough up the seniority list to hold it, but for those of us in the bottom 1/3, it will be another slide backwards as they displace off the 767 and 320 and it cascades down to the 717/DC9 right seats.