Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-12-2012 | 11:06 AM
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Sometimes you are a small person. Both slow and alfa DECIDED not to stay around after being asked to stay. I hope you realize that neither of us is unhappy in any way we have been looking for the exit door for a long time, I now get to work less and get paid more. But if your life is so small that it makes you happy to believe that we are weeping in our beers then go for it. This is part of the sad, pathetic politics of personal destruction that leads to a dysfunctional union unable to protect their members interests. Let's wallow in the muck a little more and see how that works for us.
12-12-2012 | 11:06 AM
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I have some feedback from the calls I made. The numbers posted by Bar are correct. The company is however still in compliance with the contract so there is no direct action that can be taken at the moment. The company could meet the required flying percentages however it would require both a increase on our end and a pulldown by AF. They are not expected by the union to do that and they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation however at the moment they can't do anything. It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.
12-12-2012 | 11:07 AM
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I have some feedback from the calls I made. The numbers posted by Bar are correct. The company is however still in compliance with the contract so there is no direct action that can be taken at the moment. The company could meet the required flying percentages however it would require both a increase on our end and a pulldown by AF. They are not expected by the union to do that and they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation however at the moment they can't do anything. It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.
12-12-2012 | 11:15 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
I have some feedback from the calls I made. The numbers posted by Bar are correct. The company is however still in compliance with the contract so there is no direct action that can be taken at the moment. The company could meet the required flying percentages however it would require both a increase on our end and a pulldown by AF. They are not expected by the union to do that and they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation however at the moment they can't do anything. It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.
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12-12-2012 | 11:24 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
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12-12-2012 | 11:29 AM
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The quickest way to find out exactly what's going on, and where the sims are, is to pick up the phone and call your Fleet Captain, that's what he's there for. Ask him all those questions, he will know the answers.
If you are ATL Based, until Jan. 1, you will have to pay for your own motel if you need one in ATL. I use the Motel 6 on Virginia Av. about $46 out the door.
If you are ATL Based, until Jan. 1, you will have to pay for your own motel if you need one in ATL. I use the Motel 6 on Virginia Av. about $46 out the door.
12-12-2012 | 11:33 AM
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I have some feedback from the calls I made. The numbers posted by Bar are correct. The company is however still in compliance with the contract so there is no direct action that can be taken at the moment. The company could meet the required flying percentages however it would require both a increase on our end and a pulldown by AF. They are not expected by the union to do that and they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation however at the moment they can't do anything. It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.
12-12-2012 | 11:36 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
It was not an easy tenure with the issues we faced as a pilot group. The team leaves a strong legacy of tangible results, especially when measured by the datum of our peer group over the same period of time.
While we vigorously debate the issues and occasionally disagree, we always share a common goal of doing our best to improve the job protections, pay and working conditions of our pilots.
Among ALPA members, we are always among friends.
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12-12-2012 | 11:46 AM
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12-12-2012 | 12:03 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
(reply not aimed specifically at anyone, Sailingfun's post simply outlines the most likely result correctly and succinctly)
AKA, Wide Body Scope Sale.
So, when we sit down to figure out the sales price of our job security, do we:
Our management is smart. ALPA is no dummy either. For some reason neither side wants to stop trading in ALPA members' jobs.
My hope is that Delta will eventually find some of that "We love to Fly and it shows" spirit.
... they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation .... It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.
So, when we sit down to figure out the sales price of our job security, do we:
- Calculate the widebody to narrow body Captain differential
- Narrow Body Captain to Wide Body FO differential
- Wide Body FO to narrow body FO differential
- Quality of life differential in all categories
- The value of lost longevity for the Delta pilots whos' career stagnated
Our management is smart. ALPA is no dummy either. For some reason neither side wants to stop trading in ALPA members' jobs.
My hope is that Delta will eventually find some of that "We love to Fly and it shows" spirit.
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