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Are you trying to cozy up to SWA?

Too bad for those swa pilots that we aren't hiring in 2013.

While commuting on the JS awhile ago, The (then) Mesaba Capt put the flow thru into perspective for me. He said he didn't care about the flow, he wanted to be able to interview and get hired on (for lack of a better word) merit.

I thought about that (the way my brain chews on stuff for awhile) and had to agree with his perspective. Interviews are better than flows...Unless (insert the flow up's flaws here).

Anyone that has hung around this thread knows I am not a regional basher - I commute on them in the JS frequently - There is nothing wrong with the interview process unless you have something to hide.

 

Coex had a flow when I was there and I thought it was awful. But I was junior. Way way way too many pilots from the top down to the middle and even the bottom were content just to hang out and flow.

But in 2000 we were told that could be ten years, so you were better off going elsewhere which meant not flying at Continental because you couldn't cut the line on the flow.

Not to mention, you had to watch people who had been in the industry less time than you go on to CAL ahead of where you'd flow. Say you had two friends hired at Coex and ASA at the same time and both wanted to be CAL pilots in EWR (absurd illustration I know), the Coex dude may have a flow but he might not flow for 10 years. The ASA guy could be hired at CAL in 3. And there is nothing the Coex guy could do about missing the boat other than to leave Coex and reapply.

Of course the other problems with flows, they don't last or they change. I wouldn't base my life upon it.

As a mainline pilot, as long as the pilots are interviewed by Delta and I get the flow down option, I don't care. As a regional pilot, I'd hate the idea and would be against a flow.

 

Maybe you came off a little too gangsta for a college bookstore catalog...

 

Lol that's funny!!!!

 

He's bagging Eva Longoria these days. Far cry from this Auburn slag.

He's doing something right. Getting paid millions for nothing, and pounding out beautiful women.

See you on the van at 4:15, and on the overnight in Omaha.

We're in the wrong line of work.

 

Yeah pro football players have a lot going for them of which you should be envious. Many are crippled by the age of 40... early onset Alzheimer's.. all those really cool things.. not to mention what happens to their toolbox from all the steroids.

GO VOLS.

 

On a serious note though, not sure why people are so thrilled about a flow anyway. I mean the way hiring is scheduled to pick up, collectively, with all the mainline companies in the next few years why would you want to wait out your turn in flow through agreement?

Sure people with less time and experience may get hired before you, but on the other hand people with more time and experience may not get hired before you. At the end of the day, it's not only about time and experience.

My biggest complaint with flow through agreements are that crappy management (PNCL) will use them as some type of negotiating capital in a ploy to make pilots think that they are giving them something. At the end of the day, when the mainline companies need pilots they will hire.

 

<<No furlough bypass can come back until recalls start. Once recalls start, that will be the light at the end of the tunnel just prior to hiring.>>

That's not really how it works. We will start hiring, and the furlough bypass guys will be in the first class. (if they accept)

They don't offer recalls, just for the sake of offering recalls. There has to be active hiring and new hire class for a recall to be place into.

When we start to hire, recalls will make up the first couple of classes... If they choose to come back. And if we hire before the 2014 cut off date (for most of the 01 furloughee's)

 

PNCL's carrot doesn't exist. DALPA has to agree to a flow thru. That will NEVER happen. They did already agree to 35% of new hire classes being be filled with ALPA pilots affected by downsizing. Hopefully that will help the Comair and Pinnacle guys when Delta hires again.

 

Correct, unless you are one of the superstar quarterbacks, the NFL is a worse job than regional airline pilot.