Originally Posted by dalad

Looks like someone forgot to tell the Falcons they were going to get blown out. Still have another half to play.

Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom

DCI question...

I understand Delta has contracts in place with several DCI carriers such as Skywest, ASA/Expressjet, Pinnacle, Go Jets, etc. These contracts specify a certain number of aircraft in service with laddered expiration dates.

But I think there are provisions to adjust what Delta pays based on some factors. I've been looking at the Regional forum and the angst surrounding the Pinnacle debacle. It seems pilots from other DCI carriers are urging the Pinnacle pilots to vote no as reduced wages at Pinnacle will lower their costs and contribute to the "race to the bottom".

Could someone (Bucking Bar, GeorgeTG, ACL65, etc.) please explain how these contracts "reset". For example if one carrier bids a lower amount for a certain route how that affects what Delta pays another DCI carrier?

IIRC Skywest negotiated a sweetheart deal for themselves when Delta was in the throes of bankruptcy. If a start up regional carrier underbids Skywest on say SLC-BZN what (if anything) happens?

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Am I the only one not surprised by the lack of progression here? It's is playing out exactly as I expect it to. I still say no hiring in 2014 either. The only way we hire in 2015 is if pilots actually start retiring before they hit their 65th birthday. I'll give you a hint. No one is planning to. These 717's are saving pilots from furlough. We have that going for us. The regionals are going to furlough, one in particular.

Originally Posted by newKnow

Wait. I'm confused. Six months ago, we are all living with the impression that the company was going to park a ton of 757's, close the ATL 767 category, and use those surpluses to man the 737-900's and 717's that were coming.

Now, from what I've seen, they are saying that while they are still going to close the ATL 767 category, a lot of the flying will be absorbed by ER flying.

While the crew resources memo said they were fat on ER and 320 F/O's, all indications are that ATL is about to get 100 new 717 captains and DTW is about to get 20 new 737 captains. I think they even mentioned the possibility of adding some 777 captains.

Forgive me for sounding like Bill Lumberg, but doesn't that, at the very least, point to the possibility of at least a little progression around here?

After a month of changing diapers, I'm looking forward to seeing 80 bid DTW 717 captain on reserve and explain why there is someone junior to him holding it in Atlanta.

Originally Posted by newKnow

Wait. I'm confused. Six months ago, we are all living with the impression that the company was going to park a ton of 757's, close the ATL 767 category, and use those surpluses to man the 737-900's and 717's that were coming.

Now, from what I've seen, they are saying that while they are still going to close the ATL 767 category, a lot of the flying will be absorbed by ER flying.

While the crew resources memo said they were fat on ER and 320 F/O's, all indications are that ATL is about to get 100 new 717 captains and DTW is about to get 20 new 737 captains. I think they even mentioned the possibility of adding some 777 captains.

Forgive me for sounding like Bill Lumberg, but doesn't that, at the very least, point to the possibility of at least a little progression around here?

After a month of changing diapers, I'm looking forward to seeing 80 bid DTW 717 captain on reserve and explain why there is someone junior to him holding it in Atlanta.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

FYI, crew planning has made zero adjustments to their planned manning with the new contract. The net job loss was costed out at 108 jobs however the new FTDT regs will offset most or all of that. It also appears the company will not ask for any contractual changes for the new rules and will operate under the current contract.

Originally Posted by newKnow

Um. If anyone turned away from the ATL-SEA game because it was over for the Seahawks, you might want to turn it back on....

Originally Posted by johnso29

And possibly a DTW 717 category as well. But remember, no one will AE them. All of those positions will be fed by displacements from higher paying equipment. We're shrinking, we will never hire, and we are losing all of our flying to outsourcing. Get with it newK.