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SailorJerry 02-08-2013 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1348703)

ALPA allowed the company to seat lock all new hires for this. Unbelievable. Huge savings for the company, pittance for pilots. Horse$h...

What's the big deal with a seat lock for new-hires? You know they wouldn't hire someone who felt entitled to two training events in 12 months.

And we have zero OE recovery obligation. That sure beats some sort of messed up 23k style recovery assignment.

scambo1 02-08-2013 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 1348703)
ALPA allowed the company to seat lock all new hires for this. Unbelievable. Huge savings for the company, pittance for pilots. Horse$h...

I'm not tracking. What do you mean?

Timbo 02-08-2013 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1348741)
I'm not tracking. What do you mean?

I believe he's talking about the 24mo. freeze for new hires, on what ever airplane they get assigned to. So...if we ever do hire again, the first bunch of guys could go directly to the DC9, or 717...and 6mo. later, some new guys could be 'assigned' to the 767, while those senior new hires cannot bid it, they are locked on the 717 for 24 mo.

That would suck...

Luckily, we aren't going to hire anyone for at least a year or two, so when we re-enter negotiations with the next merger, in March, I'm sure DALPA will get rid of that nonsense. :rolleyes:

johnso29 02-08-2013 07:10 PM

Looks like it's getting worse.

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Bucking Bar 02-08-2013 10:18 PM

Delta acquiring "new" 50 seat RJs?
 
After Comair and Pinnacle ... it appears Delta is adding 50 seat regional jets and paying for C checks.

On February 5, 2013 and effective as of January 31, 2013, Chautauqua and the Company entered into Amendment Number Ten to Delta Connection Agreement (the "Delta Amendment") with Delta Air Lines, Inc. ("Delta") further amending the Delta Connection Agreement among Delta, Chautauqua and the Company dated and effective as of June 7, 2002 (the "Delta Agreement").

Pursuant to the terms of the Delta Amendment, Chautauqua agreed to make two additional E145 50-seat aircraft available to Delta from February 15, 2013 until April 15, 2013 (the "Available Aircraft"). The Delta Amendment includes provisions relating to interior design and painting of the Available Aircraft and payment for costs and fees related to the Available Aircraft, including for "C-checks" and usage of engine life limited parts.

The Delta Amendment also provided for the addition of 10 E145 50-seat aircraft between April 15, 2013 and July 15, 2013 (the "2013 Aircraft"). The parties agreed upon the rent/ownership costs for the 2013 Aircraft and certain penalties for Chautauqua if it does not put the 2013 Aircraft into service by the applicable dates set forth in the Delta Amendment. Each of the 2013 Aircraft will cease to be included as aircraft under the Delta Agreement between October 15, 2014 and January 15, 2015, as specified in the Delta Amendment; provided, however, that Delta may elect to extend the term for the 2013 Aircraft for six months by giving Chautauqua written notice, and the term for the 2013 Aircraft will extend on a month-by-month basis from the original exit date for such 2013 Aircraft, unless Delta provides Chautauqua with written notice of its desire not to extend. The Delta Amendment also includes provisions related to painting and interior design of the 2013 Aircraft and for costs and fees related to the 2013 Aircraft, including for "Cchecks" and engine maintenance.

Finally, the Delta Amendment extended the term by six (6) months for each of the seven EMB-145 50- seat aircraft that had been added to the Delta Agreement pursuant to Amendment Number Nine to the Delta Connection Agreement (the "Amendment 9 Aircraft"), to between March 5, 2014 and June 15, 2014, provided that Delta may further extend such terms for six months by providing written notice to Chautauqua, and the terms for the Amendment 9 Aircraft will extend on a month-by-month basis from the original exit date for such Amendment 9 Aircraft, unless Delta provides Chautauqua with written notice of its desire not to extend. The Delta Amendment also restated the rent/ownership costs for the Amendment 9 Aircraft.
Shifting flying away from ALPA members.

80ktsClamp 02-08-2013 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1348818)
After Comair and Pinnacle ... it appears Delta is adding 50 seat regional jets and paying for C checks.Shifting flying away from ALPA members.

Ugh.

Are the ERJs more efficient than the CRJ-200s? I've run into issues with MZFW on them when trying to jumpseat on them in the past.

80ktsClamp 02-09-2013 12:01 AM

I used to not like The Big Bang Theory at all, but it's been growing on me. The study is still out as to why.

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scambo1 02-09-2013 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1348778)
I believe he's talking about the 24mo. freeze for new hires, on what ever airplane they get assigned to. So...if we ever do hire again, the first bunch of guys could go directly to the DC9, or 717...and 6mo. later, some new guys could be 'assigned' to the 767, while those senior new hires cannot bid it, they are locked on the 717 for 24 mo.

That would suck...

Luckily, we aren't going to hire anyone for at least a year or two, so when we re-enter negotiations with the next merger, in March, I'm sure DALPA will get rid of that nonsense. :rolleyes:

I did not realize that had happened. Pay-wise, for the first year it is a wash, I guess. However, it is a bad deal for the pilot regardless. In the big scheme, there are worse things in life.

I'm beginning to believe more and more that the "big rush" on the TA was just RJ related. Unical matched our rates (with a higher proportion of super premium widebodies) AA came close, but gets another bite at the apple when they hammer out a joint contract with LCC.

I am still a believer that the 717 (when the price was right) was coming to DAL regardless.

I still have to wonder why the MEC didn't have the negotiating committee just walk out of the negotiating room (with the pilot surveys in hand). I know our negotiators were good guys with good reputations, but there is regular mounting evidence of the cost neutrality of this contract.

Thrust Normal 02-09-2013 03:55 AM

FWIW the new hire seat lock didn't come in with this contract. I believe it came with the LOA that reduced our OE and some recovery obligations.

SailorJerry 02-09-2013 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1348831)

Ugh.

Are the ERJs more efficient than the CRJ-200s? I've run into issues with MZFW on them when trying to jumpseat on them in the past.

Someone must have been hitting the whacky airline administration tobacky a little too hard one morning. And rather than fleeing to the cafeteria for stale bacon, they bought RP a round of C checks on an E-145. Weird.


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