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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1360994)
I have never said that one will never reach ALV+15. What I have said, is the company won't be running a skeleton airline because of it. I have no doubt that it will happen to a few a month.
Data from whom? People on this thread? I don't think that will be accurate at all. It's much too small of a sample. |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1360996)
Well that is definitely a possibility, but surely DALPA will be monitoring the situation and will be as steadfast as ever in holding the company to the contract.
You know just like the JV production imbalance across the Atlantic. :eek: Oops, First chink in the armor. |
Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1361000)
Well we certainly don't want to ask DALPA how the line guys feel. There would be a ZERO percent chance of getting the real pulse and anything accurate. I suspect we will see more activity here and on the DALPA board as the usage of reserves trends upward. Find a sample group and lets see where the trend line goes instead of already discounting any means of measuring the affects of C2012. Drop the talking points and get real.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1360619)
Elvis, just to make sure you're ATL 88B right?
Anyways, if so, they cut reserves. In January we had 103, Feb 83 and Mar 86. They went from having 20% of the 518-530 pilots on reserve to 16%. In most months we have had 100 pilots or so on reserve. I know it fluctuates but I've been sitting intentionally reserve on this thing for 4 years and around 20% or so has been the norm as far as I can remember. If I take an unscientific incomplete snapshot of the last day of the month and compare, they're getting more flying out of each reserve pilot. Those with RAWs greater than 60 points went from just 82% of the sampled pilot group in January to 100% in February. It shows in January 21% of the pilots with 0 SCs, February shows 0%. Pilots with more than 30 hours of flying went from 55% to 77% and the number of pilots just in bucket 1 dropped from 30% to 3%. That's just a snapshot. But what makes sense is with fewer reserves, each one flies more. I'm sure the goal is to get RES hours up a lot higher than they have been. With lower ALVs the number of lines increases in the winter and drops back in the summer. So I don't think we'll have 16% on RES this summer, but I doubt this time we'll have 20% either. Something closer to 16%. |
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
(Post 1360979)
I think you might be surprised what they can do with programming these days. I promise as sure as the world is round this whole ALV+15 and where people stack up as they approach that number will be finessed so that more often than not guys push right up under ALV and are good to go for another trip. I've seen this dog and pony show before. The company got what they wanted and they WILL use it to their maximum benefit. End of story.
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I don't think you're going to see pilots getting worked all the way to ALV+15. However, there will be one or two pilots out there who will get nailed by this.
What ALV+15 does is allow the company to run the operation leaner than they normally would. IMO, it was a huge concession. You are starting to feel effects of contract enforcement take over as they slowly rearrange the crew force into the holes they need to fill. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1361044)
You should read your contract. There were 2 major offsets to ALV plus 15. One is a pilot definition of full has been reduced to his reserve pay hours not ALV. if they push him to just under ALV he is done for the month. The second and bigger change is all known absences are accounted for in determining when a reserve is full. Huge change from past contracts.
That's good for an additional 4-day, when previously they would have been done. That is a MAJOR give... |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1361047)
Ok, so if they push the rsv to just under ALV-2, then they can use him all the way up to ALV+15. ;)
That's good for an additional 4-day, when previously they would have been done. That is a MAJOR give... |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1361044)
You should read your contract. There were 2 major offsets to ALV plus 15. One is a pilot definition of full has been reduced to his reserve pay hours not ALV. if they push him to just under ALV he is done for the month. The second and bigger change is all known absences are accounted for in determining when a reserve is full. Huge change from past contracts.
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1361047)
Ok, so if they push the rsv to just under ALV-2, then they can use him all the way up to ALV+15. ;)
That's good for an additional 4-day, when previously they would have been done. That is a MAJOR give... So first, if the ALV is 75 hours or greater you get 7 SCs. Wanted to mention that. Second, the way I read that is if you have an ALV of 80 hours and you have accumulated credit equaling 79:59, you can go to ALV+15 which is 95 hours. Like 80 said, you have 4 days left and are ALV - 5 hours, you can be assigned a 20 hour trip and hit near 95 hours. Sure you were full at 80 hours but you didn't equal/exceed 80 before you got your next trip which can exceed 80 up to 95. Right? Kind of like the bucket system. At 80 points you are in bucket 1 and at 81 you are in bucket 2. So if you've got 80 points and are starting reserve you're up ahead of a pilot senior to you. Had you flown to 81 points you're in bucket 2 and that pilot senior to you is now ahead of you for any trips. Anyways, the guys who work weekends will get slaughtered. |
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