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cni187 03-01-2013 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by bigbusdriver (Post 1362623)
Don't know if this is the case here, but people get fired. They're removed from the seniority list. They go to an arbitrator or settlement. They get their job back. They're added back to the list where they used to be. You move down a number.

Yeah I figured something to this effect. Just disconcerting is all.

cni187 03-01-2013 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by FIIGMO (Post 1362625)
According to Carl the MD bid is suppose to be out on March first to coincide with the 744 announcement!! He is never wrong! But where is it? The first is almost over!!:D

But hey the stock has already jumped over $15.

Falcon7 03-01-2013 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1362386)
Of course we went from 350ish to 200ish. Where did I say otherwise? Who's splitting hairs here? I was just giving a rounded number and you went all crazygonuts on 244 back in october (which was counted long before october)... Chill out. It's going to stabilize as it will not go down to zero.

My numbers are straight from crew resources. March will be updated again tomorrow. The ALPA numbers vary as they are counted at different times.

Why don't we just declare that you are both right?

I think it's clear that in the last year many pilots on mloa have returned, probably at a higher rate then normal. While new hires are great, it's also great to get these guys back actively flying. If the net result is no off the street hiring, because these guys are coming back at an accelerated rate, then so be it. Eventually the mloa list will stabilize.

Bucking Bar 03-01-2013 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1362632)
But hey the stock has already jumped over $15.

Sequestration does not seem to have the market particularly upset does it?

For Cramer's record, he said sell Delta at its mid term low and buy while it is at a 12 month high. He's got a great rear view mirror.

Ball Breaker 03-01-2013 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1362550)
I don't think this is the way it works.

They won't offer recalls before flow thru's / new hires?

sailingfun 03-01-2013 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1362547)
RK;

You may be onto something here. I also remember DAL putting out some communiques within the past year that sounded like they were sharpening their USERRA pencil. However, the 5 year limit does not apply if you are in support of a contingency. I can't think of a single active mil job that can't be linked to contingency or contingency support. (reserve yes - USAFA liaison, CAP liaison (these guys don't get long term orders anyway); active no).

If the proper verbiage is on your orders, you are exempt. Also, DAL past policy was that if you had a letter from an O-6 or above stating you were in support of, you were exempt...This is the part that may have been fine tuned. (Mil guys, don't take my word for it, the actual current DAL policy from the horses mouth is what you need to follow).

IMO, the whole mil returnee arguement is moot. They were always on the list and by extension, they had to be expected to return.

Now, there are an element of that demographic who were furloughed and went back on active duty. Those guys had their furlough time free and clear, if they bypassed to complete their careers -- they have furlough time free and clear plus a minimum of 5 more years (userra) plus they have to wait for hiring to come back as furlough bypasses.

Delta never enforced or tracked the 5 year rule. Only in the last year have they started tracking exempt orders. It is not retroactive. The tracking started because of complaints from some working pilots.

scambo1 03-01-2013 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1362681)
Delta never enforced or tracked the 5 year rule. Only in the last year have they started tracking exempt orders. It is not retroactive. The tracking started because of complaints from some working pilots.

That makes sense Sailing and based on my personal experience sounds true. Also, that may well be the gist of the FltOps commo on the topic. I didn't really pay attention because it no longer applied to me.

80ktsClamp 03-01-2013 08:07 AM

The CA I'm flying with is wearing a long sleeve shirt AND an academy lanyard. (We're on a dhd). Let's see how the stereotypes pan out for this one. :)

I should preface it that he's one of the two known guys on this fleet...will he live up to his rep or will the stories turn out to be fluff? Find out next episode on As The 80 Deadheads!

scambo1 03-01-2013 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Ball Breaker (Post 1362678)
They won't offer recalls before flow thru's / new hires?

My understanding of the mechanics of it is: Recall letters go out in advance of hiring, giving guys a heads up that there is a window of time in which they can return. When hiring begins (and I would lump flow ups in this category) Bypass recalls come back with a flow up or new hire class. It probably is very possible to have the initial classes populated exclusively by furloughed pilots before anyone else. However, furlough bypassees can only come back while we are hiring.

If they sent someone a recall letter - That is PROOF of hiring at the same time.

TenYearsGone 03-01-2013 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1362722)
The CA I'm flying with is wearing a long sleeve shirt AND an academy lanyard. (We're on a dhd). Let's see how the stereotypes pan out for this one. :)

I should preface it that he's one of the two known guys on this fleet...will he live up to his rep or will the stories turn out to be fluff? Find out next episode on As The 80 Deadheads!

80,

Last time I flew with Skipper Long-sleeve, HE WAS COOL! He told me the ladies like the long sleeve:cool:

TEN


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