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Old 03-02-2013 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Because they aren't all "replacement" aircraft. Hence, the scheduled growth over the next several years.
Careful- you just took 2 years off your life.
Old 03-02-2013 | 07:13 AM
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Careful- you just took 2 years off your life.
Don't worry. My NHL team is in a terrible slump. I'm extremely pessimistic about their ability to turn it around. It's all about balance.
Old 03-02-2013 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Not our problem to solve. GS awards going out is good. That's nothing to complain about.
Have to disagree here to some extent. While it might be "good" for the individual to get a GS, collectively I think its bad. We are constantly hearing the phrase "overstaffed" come from Network. This could lead to some MDs to lower paying jets for some junior guys. Not to mention future hiring could be impacted. I wonder how "overstaffed" we would be if everyone just flew their awarded line?
Old 03-02-2013 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
Have to disagree here to some extent. While it might be "good" for the individual to get a GS, collectively I think its bad. We are constantly hearing the phrase "overstaffed" come from Network. This could lead to some MDs to lower paying jets for some junior guys. Not to mention future hiring could be impacted. I wonder how "overstaffed" we would be if everyone just flew their awarded line?
+1. Hiring and overall QOL (no downgraded equipment) would start yesterday.
Old 03-02-2013 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Really?? You want more guys to be on call over the weekend? The reason we have 50+ during the week is that we are overstaffed. Once the weekends have adequate coverage most guys bid the weekends off.

And if by "pi$$ing away money" you mean Pilot compensation, I say its a start. Remember the pilots had their defined benefit pensions canceled or frozen while management was getting bonuses to do it. Remember we took a 42% pay-cut and are still not back to 2001 wages.

If you are concerned about the company paying too much to the employees, which I admit is noble, start by taking a look at the plethora of VPs and/or Asst VPs. I bet not many of them are being compensated at or below 2001 levels.

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GSs are great don't get me wrong but I think 1067 has a good point. If the 777/744 were massively over staffed but they covered all the trips via GSs and had no issues, is that a good thing or bad thing?

I say bad for the same reason I'd rather return to the bow wave, I want more people in every category, not less. Even if it caps the hours I can get paid.

Same with weekend coverage, if they can live with 50 during the week, hope about 50 on the weekend. That's increase the number of pilots.
Old 03-02-2013 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Sounds like some people decided they better get to work burning that unverified sick leave...

Cough cough.
I thought even after the "Verification" requirement kicks in (yet another concessionary item, thanks ALPA), the Man can't ask you anything until after your 5th call per sick year.

Is that 5 one-day trips? or 5 five-day trips? I don't use much sick time, but I hate the feeling of not being trusted by the company to do the right thing.
Old 03-02-2013 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
The reality is Captains should be able to put FOs on no fly lists til the only people that can be paired with pilots on either lists are people already on the lists.
I brought that very argument up to our CP. His answer: "You are supposed to be able to fly with anyone."

Really? So let's put two pilots in the cockpit who can't work together. Sounds like a good CRM policy to me.
Old 03-02-2013 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
Have to disagree here to some extent. While it might be "good" for the individual to get a GS, collectively I think its bad. We are constantly hearing the phrase "overstaffed" come from Network. This could lead to some MDs to lower paying jets for some junior guys. Not to mention future hiring could be impacted. I wonder how "overstaffed" we would be if everyone just flew their awarded line?
I don't disagree with you, but we all know that will likely never happen. Too many guys are too hungry for money. Others genuinely need it due to ill family members. I would rather see GS awards as opposed to WS awards.
Old 03-02-2013 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
While it might be "good" for the individual to get a GS, collectively I think its bad.
I think he meant that it's good in a sense it puts financial pressure on the company to hire.

The concept of everyone flying his assigned line and nothing more is admirable--but let's be careful about advocating for it against the status quo.

Could be deemed an illegal work action, and the company could subpoena this web board.
Old 03-02-2013 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
I thought even after the "Verification" requirement kicks in (yet another concessionary item, thanks ALPA), the Man can't ask you anything until after your 5th call per sick year.

Is that 5 one-day trips? or 5 five-day trips? I don't use much sick time, but I hate the feeling of not being trusted by the company to do the right thing.
I think verification can be required if our for 15 consecutive work days. But I need to look to verify that.


I still don't see how the new policy is concessionary. Nothing stops them from asking for verification at any point under the old policy. They could call for verification on your first used sick hour of the year. You now get 100 hours of "no questions asked" sick usage.

So how is the new policy concessionary? I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I just don't see the concessionary side of the new policy.
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