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Old 04-30-2013, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite View Post
I agree and I hope we don't see this either. I think we currently have a very sophisticated and established revenue management system. This system seems like a way for the airlines that are flying around a lot of empty inventory (Emirates, Virgin Atlantic) to make some extra cash on the already money losing flights. We are making money. I can't see why this would make us more.
I agree with you, although this "idea" is cut from the same cloth as the "capacity dicipline/shrink to profitability/cannibalize your own network" one we've been practicing without an exit stratedgy for years. When you burn the furniture to heat the house, the house does stay warm. For a while.

While it appears we *may* have accepted the end of the capacity canibalization quarterly smash gravy train, I could see a 40% chance of us trying this in one form or another. There's always someone standing to benefit from a popup bonus for short term good ideas that end up being bad long term. But bonuses don't have to be given back, do they?
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:02 AM
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by biigD View Post
Absolutely horrible.

The comments section makes me want to say eff it and shut down the internet.
Yeah especially the guy who said he wished he had seen it live. YGTBSM.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:08 AM
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Yeah especially the guy who said he wished he had seen it live. YGTBSM.
It was horrible. Understand members of the crew had wives and kids. Let us hope they will be cared for ... is the operator ALPA?

As is sometimes the case, the losses amount to workman's compensation claims which are completely inadequate for the need. I do appreciate our life insurance and ALPA's inclusion in our contract.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
Chilling is an understatement. Its almost impossible to contemplate.
Pilot had no chance. That thing came down like a brick. Just stopped flying.

Had to be the cargo broke loose in the climb. The CG looks so far aft they wouldn't have got 10 feet off the ground if they had actually loaded up and rotated in that shape.

Only other explanation could be some sort of catastrophic control failure I suppose.

RIP to those poor souls.
A C-2 Launching off a carrier experienced a similar accident when the load broke free during a cat launch a number of years ago. RIP
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon View Post
A dash cam caught it on video. It is on liveleak. It is chilling. Went in slightly nose low, gear still down. I won't post it as I have two good friends that work there and was sick to my stomach when I heard there was an accident. Fortunately they were not onboard.
Glad your friends are OK. Got the good news on my buddy too. He knew the crew though and said they were all wonderful individuals. So sorry for the families.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:25 AM
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RIP brothers
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50 View Post

Got the good news on my buddy too. He knew the crew though and said they were all wonderful individuals. So sorry for the families.
There were a bunch of Mesa folks that knew one of the FOs and his wife. Great people.

RIP buddy. We miss you.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar View Post
It was horrible. Understand members of the crew had wives and kids. Let us hope they will be cared for ... is the operator ALPA?

As is sometimes the case, the losses amount to workman's compensation claims which are completely inadequate for the need. I do appreciate our life insurance and ALPA's inclusion in our contract.

They are not a unionized carrier. I just talked to my friend who works there and they are about to go fly. They are doing as good as they can be right now.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:42 AM
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Glad your friends are OK. Got the good news on my buddy too. He knew the crew though and said they were all wonderful individuals. So sorry for the families.
Thanks, glad you got good news also. My friend said the same thing about the crew.

Awful feeling knowing someones wife, husband, brother, sister, dad, and mom had to receive such a terrible phone call.
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