I'm not disagreeing with that. But at what point do we stop blaming management, & start blaming ourselves? Even if it's only partial blame.

 

Oh, don't get me wrong--the blame is squarely on us for our vote. I haven't even been in this business that long, but I realize when I'm being fed a statement that has nothing standing behind it other than one man's word. But that man represents the word of management, and is the company's non-binding word; he had no contractual basis to stand behind it. So, yes, you can attribute it to how the game is played, but the fact is the vast majority of his audience were pilots who don't play that game; pilots who deal with other pilots, and take a man at his word--not lawyers trying to get one over on our fellow Delta employee. So, yes, while I'm sure there were few if any who bet the farm on what SD had to say about hiring, most took it to be sincere, and not the word of a snake in the grass. But excusing it in any fashion, IMHO, only sets us up to be taken again in some other fashion in the future. Recognize it for what it is: a contorted statement by a man who realized he couldn't be held to account, but could find favor with his superiors for pushing the truth envelop. Don't forget; don't forgive. Otherwise learn to smile when you're lied to again and again, and then say, "They're not to blame--they're just doing what they have been taught to do." Too bad our MEC didn't put that disclaimer at the bottom of every piece of propaganda we were fed during the TA discussion. WARNING: Anything we regurgitate to you here is almost word for word what we were told by management to get you to vote YES, but you should realize they'll lie to you if given the chance and you're an idiot if you don't realize that. Delta's a family in as much as a bunch of back stabbing cousins trying to cut each out of great grandpa's will.

 

I blamed ourselves very quickly.

I can't blame management for co-selling the TA.

 

Our gullibility doesn't excuse the misleading, but to your point you shouldn't factor in vague and unenforceable promises when negotiating or settling a contract.

SD is there to manage Flight Ops. He answers to his superiors, and his first job is to back them up. Doesn't make him mean, or cruel, or weird. If the choice is between expanding a little credibility to support the mission, or to gain more trust at the expense of some votes, pragmatism invariably yields a sales job.

 

Blame ourselves for what?

 

Absolutely. If he was misinformed and made a promise that was later overriden by the board, the "Delta Way" would dictate he have the integrity to apologize and explain himself. Which he hasn't.

I personally feel he was used or he intended to deceive us. And he's too smart to be used.

As I recall, the company hired a high-dollar labor-busting consultant to mind-**** us into passing the TA. My guess is, those guys passed out scripts to management, dictating who said what, when. SD just played his part, same as any other two-bit airline exec would.

The "Delta Way" seems to be a one-way street. Especially at contract time.

 

Selling it is one thing, and I can understand and live with that.

Misrepresenting their intentions in an effort to deceive and manipulate us is another thing entirely. Especially when they preach and demand "integrity" from us.

It sure would be great to have someone on our side to help us cut through the company's bull. Wait, isn't that why we're paying ALPA??

 

Well there have certainly been more entertaining days here. You guys must be bored.
We need that AD bid out so we can stop the sd said this he scammed us / im optimistic / mgt phrasing can be variably interpreted depending onmy stance fest.
Yes johnso is strangely hard to figure out. We know this

 

At what point does DALPA figure into this equation johnso? You know, the DALPA that you so vigorously defended all through the run up to the TA vote? When you say "blaming ourselves", what do you mean by ourselves? As someone who repeatedly reminded us that WE are DALPA, what was their (our) role? Why were the road shows replete with SD's comments about hiring IF we voted in the TA? Is there any appreciable difference between our union leadership and management?

Carl

 

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