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Originally Posted by Burn Notice
(Post 1374224)
Don't forget we pilots like shiny new gadgets. The 717a will go more senior than you think. Once the newness wears off though, beware! It is a RJ replacement after all.
There's gonna be some rude awakenings. And even the occasional "give it back! Let Pinnacle have it back" followed by thumb sucking after the 4th reroute into less rest on your 5 day trip. |
Originally Posted by porpilot
(Post 1374219)
Are we still pay protected if we get MD to smaller paying equipment?
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1374228)
Spot on Timbo! This whole discussion cracks me up. Junior guys are complaining that only senior guys (in base) get GS's and 1.5 over 80 would spread the wealth. Then FTB pulls out an old post saying the NW guys said the over 80 thing disproportionately benefited only the senior guys.
Newsflash guys - anything that is beneficial, will disproportionately benefit the senior guys in a seniority based system. If we were to foolishly go down the 1.5 over 80 path almost every single senior guy would bid MAX CREDIT and then put in a standing WS request. Junior guys in category would rarely see over ALV much less 80 hours unless they were the lucky junior in category who would quickly become more senior in category.............after they got displaced to the next lower category. :eek: Classic Tragedy of the Commons scenario guys - not good. :cool: Scoop |
Originally Posted by SailorJerry
(Post 1374229)
All of the gadgets won't help with ATL-BHM-ATL-BNA-ATL-CHS-ATL-SAV-ATL-MLB-ATL-PNS-ATL-CHA-ATL-AVL-ATL-ORD-ATL-HSV-ATL.
There's gonna be some rude awakenings. And even the occasional "give it back! Let Pinnacle have it back" followed by thumb sucking after the 4th reroute into less rest on your 5 day trip. |
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
(Post 1374229)
All of the gadgets won't help with ATL-BHM-ATL-BNA-ATL-CHS-ATL-SAV-ATL-MLB-ATL-PNS-ATL-CHA-ATL-AVL-ATL-ORD-ATL-HSV-ATL.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1374182)
Also the "gate latency" thing could eliminate many, many thousands of block hours per year from the schedule. That's what its for mostly IMO, and not "tracking ground control alleyway congestion" which is uber bogus. That could be a major cource of "funding" to further delay hiring, while potential merger "partners" continue to hire and get "more senior" than DL pilots.
The RJ mantra about job loss certainly has some truth but the reality is that the massive job loss from 2001 to 2007 at Delta was mostly work rule generated. In fact we had the same number of pilot block hours in June of 01 as we had in June of 07. Yes the fleet was smaller but we had shifted a large number of aircraft to international where they flew more hours per day and often were relief or even double crewed. What changed was the average pilot went from 600 block hours a year to 800. Thats a staggering 25% improvement in productivity. The sad reality however it that with the productivity SW generated per pilot and their rise to the largest US domestic airline it was probably not possible for Delta to ever compete with the work rules we had in place at one time. Bow Wave and Spill back were both tremendous quality of life items and bow wave in particular protected a huge number of jobs. One of the best quotes I once heard was your have a union for two reasons. To protect you from the company and to protect you from your fellow pilots. With the elimination of bow wave and cash paid each month for each hour flown utilization has soared. I know the ALPA haters will jump on this post and say DALPA failed us by allowing what we have today but again the reality is that as a airline Delta was not going to survive with the productivity level we once had. SWA drove a stake right though the heart of the good old days of pilot lifestyles. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1374243)
If the company can shave 3 percent off the block times it equates to about a 2 percent decrease in manning. They are not the same because you have to factor in reserves, vacation and other forms of credit and pay. Anything that reduces block time reduces pilot jobs. In the end the number of pilots Delta needs is based on block time plus credit divided by the number of pilots and the hours the contract permits them to fly.
The RJ mantra about job loss certainly has some truth but the reality is that the massive job loss from 2001 to 2007 at Delta was mostly work rule generated. In fact we had the same number of pilot block hours in June of 01 as we had in June of 07. Yes the fleet was smaller but we had shifted a large number of aircraft to international where they flew more hours per day and often were relief or even double crewed. What changed was the average pilot went from 600 block hours a year to 800. Thats a staggering 25% improvement in productivity. The sad reality however it that with the productivity SW generated per pilot and their rise to the largest US domestic airline it was probably not possible for Delta to ever compete with the work rules we had in place at one time. Bow Wave and Spill back were both tremendous quality of life items and bow wave in particular protected a huge number of jobs. One of the best quotes I once heard was your have a union for two reasons. To protect you from the company and to protect you from your fellow pilots. With the elimination of bow wave and cash paid each month for each hour flown utilization has soared. I know the ALPA haters will jump on this post and say DALPA failed us by allowing what we have today but again the reality is that as a airline Delta was not going to survive with the productivity level we once had. SWA drove a stake right though the heart of the good old days of pilot lifestyles. |
Originally Posted by Jughead
(Post 1374238)
That sounds just like my last 4 day, and my airplane is fairly gadget-free.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1374243)
changed was the average pilot went from 600 block hours a year to 800. Thats a staggering 25% improvement in productivity.
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