It just amazes me the bitterness that some civilian pilots have towards military pilots.

I'm being honest here Joe, I can't help it if my first airplane was a DC-10. And after flying a DC-10 for eight years making up to 6 digits, that I really don't want to go work for your commuter airline making 20 ... 30 grand? You wouldn't either. And as long as the majors are recruiting me to work for them, that's where I'm going.

Why is it that many civilian pilots can't respect the 8 - 10 years that we military pilots put in and they feel that we should start at the bottom? Where is this entitlement that the list for a major starts at their commuter company? Makes no sense to me. The military AND the civilian commuters are BOTH stepping stones to the majors, but the list starts at the major.

<opening up a can of worms>

-FATBOY

I'll second that

Course.....

You're gonna have to tell us the name we are voting for. I don't think you can put "acl65pilot" on the ballot. Though I've been wrong about simpler things......

If I'm not mistaken, that's the biggest problem with our union. You can't really run for MEC chair so that the membership gets to vote. The anointed ones get together in a back room or a tent or wherever and make a deal on who the head honcho will be.(In some cases, I'm convinced they were smoking a pipe during the process.) Am I wrong?

New K Now

Except he sits reserve at home in ATL and flies the 757/767. Nice try though. We know you're still upset they parked the ATRs.

Duplicate post.........

can we get joe merchant banned from this thread? Talk about bitter, wow! :cool:

Joe,

It will not come "without a fight" because our own MEC will not let it happen while they are in office. Frankly, our problem isn't you, or Dan, it is ourselves and the belief that we can trade altitude for airspeed and "sell" one pilot's flying to benefit another pilot.

ASA/SkyWest is not in compliance with provisions of the contract which require they be competitive with the two lowest bidders. Compass screws up that deal with Mesa and Pinnacle close behind. Suing Delta did not win them any friends either. Your SA should include those threats, which are more serious than pilots' mental masturbation on APC Forums.

Realistically, returning flying to Delta is one form of "unity" and it is fine with me if pilots come with the flying under some sort of bid restricted double staple, or whatever you call it. But, realistically, the odds are better that Megan Fox broke in to my hotel room and is in bed with wine and roses waiting for me to finish a beer under the palm trees.
Here's to hoping. :rolleyes:

Hmmm, the 767-300 with the big motors and winglets. Had one on my last 76 leg and was temped to dry hump the gear strut on the walk around before the last flight. Never flown a better airplane. :)

Now the MD88, that's another story. What an unmitigated steaming pile of dog squeeze. There, it has been said.

[quote=Scoop;663718]Sailing,

You bring up many good points but left out a few. DAL is losing money - Some of our connection carriers are making money - maybe we are not getting such a good deal after all.

I never said management was good at making deals with anyone. Most of our connectors however have pilots on the street.

Southwest, Airtran, Jetblue - all have no DCI type of feed and yet they manage to get by. Different business model you say, I say correct, but if outsourcing is so good why can they not come up with a way to use it to thier advantage?

As their business models change its being looked at. SWA in particular has already employeed it with ATA and wants more.

AMR purchased TWA and this caused thousands of furloughs. DAL had thousands of senior Pilots retire to protect their pensions - I don't feel you can make a fair comparison of furlough numbers.

The thousands of plots you claim retired at Delta were mostly near 60 when they left. All but a handful would have been gone before the age limit increased so they have no real effect on the list today or lack of furloughs.

How can DAL create a "Brand" with 10 different carriers?

From the American Heritage dictionary:

Brand- A trademark or distinctive name identifying a product or a manufacturer.

I guess our product for a DAL ticket is flying on any one of 10 airlines, most who owe their position to being the lowest bidder. This does not seem too "distinctive" to me, but hey, I am not in management.

Is the outsourced product (DCI) comparable with DAL?

How about outsourcing the flightcrews, but using DAL gates, gate agents, baggage personnel etc? It seems in some instances we are only outsourcing Pilots and FA's -

This is done often. For the most part however with Atlanta as the exception it is handled by stations without hiring extra personel. The small stations have lots of down time between mainline flights where we pay people to watch TV in the employee lounge. They can fill that down time with RJ flights at no cost! You can't get much more efficient then that.

You can not run for MEC Chair. You can run for Rep though.