Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 672420)

You are right... you did not take a paycut in this merger.... and besides... waaaaaaaaah Paycut.. puhleeeeez :mad:

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 672408)

Bringing pilots in at the top end of the pay and bennifit scales is not cost effective. Maybe a 3-1 ratio might work, but there has to be some sort of savings there. (The current practice is cheaper for them. We need to be realistic on this effect)

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 672439)

Yep.

Joe & John, you are actually hurting your case by bringing it here. A better venue for your concerns is your own Reps, not a bunch of Delta line pilots.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 672439)

Already the ugly "who's better" debate has begun.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 672439)

It can't be proven, but my suspicions are that the majority is going to find the military pilot who beat our 2,500 candidates for his flight spot is going to be hard to beat. Also the SR-71 pilots have the best stories, or at least the ones they can tell.

Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 672442)

What if we came in at our current pay scale? In other words, a B scale on your contract? I believe management would buy that.

Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 672443)

News Flash! My reps and your reps are CURRENT NEGOTIATING exactly what we're discussing!

And I disagree 100% with your statement. The hard sell on any kind of get-together will be on the Delta line pilots, not management. There are too many pilots over there who think we're not worthy. That attitude needs to change. Fortunately SOME in your group don't feel that way. SOME of them are even running for ALPA office. Change comes slowly, but it WILL come.




And you're perpetuating it. Evidence your post below. (Hypocrite)



So 300 hours of single engine fighter time makes someone a better airline pilot than 8000 hours of 121 airline time? Got it!

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 672445)

John, go look at one my posts a few back. There is a sort of pay protection in place at CPS if we flow down, something like this could work in a flow up.

The greater of year one/two pay on our PWA, or your pay. Fact is that except the top people at DCI, most will be at a better composite rate in two to three years on our contract. Year three as of Jan 1 2010 on the 88 is 88.00 an hr and year two is 75.13. If you look at the 767 rates for next year are: Year two is 85.70 and year three is 100.29. That right there is almost what a 18 year CRJ CA makes at EV.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 672446)

John, stop it, this kind of crud will back the majority of DAL pilots in to their corner with their teeth out. Keep it respectable. This is exactly why this failed almost a decade ago.

If you want to talk about this lets talk, do not point fingers. The harsh reality is that DAL pilots control if this happens.

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 672447)

John,
You still haven't answered my question. Why should "you" (sli flow up pilots) carry their pay over to Delta when almost EVERYONE here had to give up theirs?? I took a bet (sacrificed short term pay) for longer term pay (career at Delta) as did everyone here. Why should you be different?

Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 672449)

I see your point. I really don't have a good solution for that. Do you suggest EV pilots (highest paid in DCI) would need to take pay cuts to make it "fair" for the low seniority DAL pilots? And really, why isn't it fair? We already make more than them. Stapling the lists really doesn't change anything.