I'm not talking Compass. I'm not talking about a new DCI. I'm talking about Delta pilots flying Delta code with Delta aircraft under the existing Delta contract. You're the one that keeps making the economic argument in favor of that happening.

Keep typing!:D

Yeah a B scale like ACL65 posted above....Tell me how much of the Delta domestic flying would then fall into this "new B scale"? How long will it take a Delta newhire to get to $100/hr. under this new "B scale"?

Oh heck ya I'd do a b scale for the flying now, what I was thinking was long term which would be to get things in the right place given the cost savings oh having it here over having it at DCI. But when it comes to the type of jets I'd push for the E190s my fear is that the 76 seaters would not have a long life if they were at mainline. A 100 seater is what they want here and whir they can order B&E planes for DCI I think there is something preventing behind the scenes preventing them from buying ejets for mainline and it's not pilot pay or payload. So they'll stop gap with B&E at DCI.

Joe;
The question is not that we would agree to this, the question is if the pilots are willing to go to this to get it. There is a huge difference. This is not something that cannot be decided on an anonymous web board.

And Joe, it depends. Say worst case you come to DAL in a flow and reset your longevity, fact is that in less than 12 years you would be a CA on something much larger than you will every fly now. If you just look at the retirement numbers in five to eight years, the DAL list retires 8% plus a year. That is movement that you will never see at ASA. You are too senior.

Thoughts to ponder.

Probably a hell of a lot less time than the 17 years required at ASA to break $100/hr

ACL, you hinting at a flow through is coming for ASA?

My personal thought here......

A flow scares me on the surface. A few things need to be in place besides just a flow. What a flow does is resets DCI costs and once again lowers the costs of these airlines. Why? Well you get rid of the dead wood. That once again MAY promote outsourcing. That is my fear.

What needs to be in place to have a flow work is this. We need in the PWA, a MOU or LOA that the company will transfer assets to mainline as these DCI contracts come due. What that means is we work towards the recapture. As the pilots flow the airplanes flow. This is a way a flow may actually have benefits for Delta Pilots. A flow in its simplest form will just reduce cost at DCI. The pilots of those jets keep their jobs and whatever negotiated benefits, as the flying is transferred back. That works. As stated the double edge portion of that sword is that all of a sudden it behooves the company to throw more flying on the DCI side of the operation if the second part of the equation is not there.

Slow,
I am not saying that the MEC does not have the best intrests of the rank and file in mind. My bone of contention is that our direction is not being communicated.
There are some real benefits to the rumors I am hearing, but there needs to be a lot to it. Inclusive scope protects us as pilots. I think we can agree with that. We have it on the JV with AF et al. We can also make it happen for our bottom end too. There needs to be a DCI, but as they say you can have too much of a "good" thing. I personally feel that we are way past that.

As for the "B: scale comment Joe, most of that is moot if we do it this way.

I am hinting at nothing. I am talking here. Just throwing thoughts out because that has been the "rumor" for quite some time.

sweet. I want to be an A320 CA.

Are you suggesting that you're a "B" scale paid pilot? Right now there's 153 aircraft that fall into this scale, but they're not flown by Delta pilots.

CRJ 900 Captain starts at $98.85 at year 1, breaks the buck at year 3 in 2010. They top out in 2012 at $116.46 It's a lot more for the EMB 195, as that tops out at year 12 at $136.95. Those are the rates in our current contract, not speculation.

No B-scale there. And it includes a 14% DC plan that's not listed in the rates. Of course, JetBlue has been "promised" a raise for the last 10 months. It'll give us something to shoot for in 2012 should we get the aircraft or something similar on property.

Keep typing!:D