|
Originally Posted by John Pennekamp
(Post 671249)
The ha ha is on you. You have NEVER met "Joe". I know him well, and "inferiority complex" is not an accurate description. Those who know him know that his ego is large and distinguished. ;)
I'm so sick of reading all of the personal attacks. No one cares how much the mainline pilots hate "Joe". I'm also sick of seeing "Joe" take the blame for RJDC. You all act like he was a co-founder or something. Most of you know "Joe's " real name. Do a little research before running your mouths and you'll see he wasn't even a named plaintiff. He sent them a couple hundred bucks, something hundreds of pilots did. "Joe" spent almost a decade working within ALPA to change it for the better. But ALPA doesn't like criticism, so they rode him out on a rail, then publicly tarred and feathered him. They've done that to all of us who have publicly criticized how ALPA does business, especially those of us who did it as insiders. The bottom line is that "Joe" speaks truths that the mainline pilots don't want to hear and can't refute with facts. So they resort to petty name calling and personal attacks. It's old and it's lame. It all boils down that him jumping on the thread like this just looks like someone that knows they are outsourced labor and worried about it getting taken away... whether or not that is what he is really doing. Not to mention the inability to understand that a new mindset at the legacy level and "scope hindsight" has taken a strong foothold over here. It's not that the "little jets" are all of a sudden attractive. You have guys that have been at both regionals and the legacies that understand the terrible damage that scope erosion has done to this career. It makes me laugh comparing current ASA pay tables to current DAL pay tables... ASA has the highest pay they've ever had, and DAL is around 50% less from a similarly "highest ever" contract in 2000. I consider getting hired in 2007 at DAL "buying low" in regards to wages. The workrules and people that you work with here make it all the better- and that's on an 1113 contract. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 671350)
Yeah, if it happens, it will go over with Joe like this little picture goes over with ACL65 ....
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...BIA-45426.html The poor cow must be even more confused than I am, why would Jet Blue sponsor the University of Texas? Hope Bevo runs if anyone comes toward it carrying Blue paint. This correction should be taken seriously because a comment like that would likely cause serious injury if ever mentioned while in Austin. :eek: |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 671395)
**GASP**pppssttt, thats no "Cow", Thats Bevo and he's a LONGHORN ;)
This correction should be taken seriously because a comment like that would likely cause serious injury if ever mentioned while in Austin. :eek: Anyone remember the cartoon "Rocko's Modern Life" years ago? This reminds me of the character "Heffer" on there. "Heffer is a cow" "No I'm not! I'm a steer!" |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 671392)
It makes me laugh comparing current ASA pay tables to current DAL pay tables... ASA has the highest pay they've ever had, and DAL is around 50% less from a similarly "highest ever" contract in 2000. I consider getting hired in 2007 at DAL "buying low" in regards to wages. The workrules and people that you work with here make it all the better- and that's on an 1113 contract.
I just don't think guys can get it until they start working under a mainline contract. When I was on reserve at NWA, we couldn't be flown past 86 hours a month unless we voluteered. Once we got to that point, we were released for the rest of the month. I just talked to a reserve Pinnacle FO who has timed out (100 hrs hard flying)3 months in a row! I'm a junior guy, and I've been getting 17 days off a month and about 76 hours of credit, which is more then enough because my hourly rate is higher then my CA rate when I left ExpressJet. I'm in a stretch of 14 days off in a row, and the only way I could get that at ExpressJet was if I was using vacation and ExpressJet had the best vacation policy of any regional when I left in 2007. Most just don't know how much better it is. |
Republic, here's an example of supporting another union...
US Airways Pilots Lend Support to Striking Amerijet Pilots CHARLOTTE, N.C.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The pilots of US Airways, represented by the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA), wish to lend their support to the pilots of Amerijet, who officially went on strike last week following a collapse in negotiations after five years of contract talks. Beginning today, US Airways pilots will be joining the Amerijet picket line. |
Change of pace for a second, color me stupid but what is a 76U?
|
Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
(Post 671274)
I flew with him many times. Thanks, just sharing.
|
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 671395)
**GASP**pppssttt, thats no "Cow", Thats Bevo and he's a LONGHORN ;)
This correction should be taken seriously because a comment like that would likely cause serious injury if ever mentioned while in Austin. :eek: Enough Said!!!! |
Originally Posted by hoserpilot
(Post 671262)
Wrong again Joe!!! I was an 8 year guy at skywest. 400 outta 2700 when I left. I make the same in year two at Delta flying narrow bodies. I will make substantially more in year three. Upside pay potential at mainline ... stagnation at the commuters. Also have 16-17 days off just like the commuters. Oh, and a much larger contribution to my retirement. I will concede that job security as a junior guy was my main sticking point coming to a carrier just out of bankruptcy. A nice California base was also difficult to leave. Your pay argument will never cut it though. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 671266)
There is another side to the pay argument not mentioned. The hourly pay rate is only one part of a contract. The Delta contract offers many ways to exceed your hourly rate. I flew recently with a copilot making 120 an hour who broke 200k last year. I normally figure that I will see about 1100 hours of pay per year and I don't fly that much extra. Things happen. Recently I had a trip bought and picked another trip up on top of it and got paid for both. Only worked 3 days but got 43 hours pay. Overtime now pays double if you choose to fly it. Pilots who know how to work the system can often generate 1400 hours or more pay in a year. That is going to be a lot harder this year with manning way up but everything goes in cycles in this industry and we will be undermanned again. Perhaps sooner then some think.
The last point on pay. Delta is flying under a 1113 forced contract. That ends in 2012! |
| All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:51 PM. |
Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands