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tsquare 08-31-2009 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 671084)
The JB rate I was talking about was around $144 for 190 Captains.


Is that for real? :eek: Suddenly our section 3 looks REALLY bad....

FlyingViking 08-31-2009 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 671090)
The JBLU pilots' union must be really miffed about that.... you know.. watching all their future international potential go up in a puff of ink... oh.. sorry.. I forgot


Too funny, good point...

johnso29 09-01-2009 06:49 AM

Funny how JoetheMerchant always has to come onto a Mainline thread and trys to justify his decision to stay at a Regional to Mainline pilots.

It makes me think he's not 100% confident in his decision to stay at ASA. I wonder if he realizes that none of us care that he stayed. Good for you Joe. We all wish you the best.

This whole industry is a gamble, and we all need good odds. ;)

newKnow 09-01-2009 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 671223)
Funny how JoetheMerchant always has to come onto a Mainline thread and trys to justify his decision to stay at a Regional to Mainline pilots.

It makes me think he's not 100% confident in his decision to stay at ASA. I wonder if he realizes that none of us care that he stayed. Good for you Joe. We all wish you the best.

This whole industry is a gamble, and we all need good odds. ;)

It sure is a gamble. In my 14 years here though, I know I have never said (or, heard anyone else say), "Man, I wish I had stayed at the commuters." But, I am lucky though, and for the moment, anyone flying for Delta is lucky, too. :)

gripen 09-01-2009 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 671241)
It sure is a gamble. In my 14 years here though, I know I have never said (or, heard anyone else say), "Man, I wish I had stayed at the commuters." But, I am lucky though, and for the moment, anyone flying for Delta is lucky, too. :)

Hey, I wish I would have left sooner... :rolleyes: (And I actually had the opportunity to do it :eek: )

JoeMerchant 09-01-2009 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 671013)
But honestly, why did he come to DAL? To fly larger planes and go further places and make more money and stop being at the mercy of DAL and instead be a part of DAL. But Joe, to each his own. You do whats best for you.

So SJS is OK for "real" airline pilots...Got it...Another double standard duly noted!

I am doing what is best for me...As are we all...

JoeMerchant 09-01-2009 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by vprMatrix (Post 671016)
First off he said the new JetBlue pay rates not the current rates.

Second, I've been over this before with you. ASA pay rates in no way compare to Delta pay rates. The 10 year 767 FO rate adjusted for DC funding is $131.66. I think you make around $90 - $98 at more YOS. For similar aircraft pay rates here ya go:

To understand where the senior ASA/CMR/Skywest pilot is coming from, you have to look at the 10 year and less FO rates and compare them to the top ASA/CMR rates...On all but the widebodies, the FOs at Delta are making less than the senior ASA/CMR/Skywest.

I believe, and some Delta pilots have confirmed it here, that many Delta pilots would love to fly these large SJs (whatever that really is). A 10 year or less Delta FO would look at QOL and pay and decide it was something he would want to do.

JoeMerchant 09-01-2009 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 671223)
Funny how JoetheMerchant always has to come onto a Mainline thread and trys to justify his decision to stay at a Regional to Mainline pilots.

It makes me think he's not 100% confident in his decision to stay at ASA. I wonder if he realizes that none of us care that he stayed. Good for you Joe. We all wish you the best.

This whole industry is a gamble, and we all need good odds. ;)

I'm trying to justify anything...Simply trying to get you folks to stay over there and fly the heavy iron....Leave the bugsmashers to us scooter trash.:D

I just find it interesting that more and more Delta pilots want to fly my little airplane.

This industry is a gamble. I haven't met any Delta pilots who regret leaving ASA for Delta. I do know United and USAir pilots who do regret the move. I also know an ASA pilot who left for Eastern and PanAm....and now is back at ASA. He regrets his move and has much less seniority and longevity.

The point isn't to try and tell anyone they made the right decision or not. The point is that we are either all in this together and all of this flying should be done by on cohesive group, or we are separate, and you fly the big airplanes while we fly the little airplanes....I sense some are question the future at Delta and want a security net that involves SJ flying at the expense of those of us who chose not to move on.

John Pennekamp 09-01-2009 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 671036)
Please stop using logic with Joe. :mad: He just wants to be angry at mainline pilots and blame them for all his woes and inferiority complex, haha.

The ha ha is on you. You have NEVER met "Joe". I know him well, and "inferiority complex" is not an accurate description. Those who know him know that his ego is large and distinguished. ;)

I'm so sick of reading all of the personal attacks. No one cares how much the mainline pilots hate "Joe". I'm also sick of seeing "Joe" take the blame for RJDC. You all act like he was a co-founder or something. Most of you know "Joe's " real name. Do a little research before running your mouths and you'll see he wasn't even a named plaintiff. He sent them a couple hundred bucks, something hundreds of pilots did.

"Joe" spent almost a decade working within ALPA to change it for the better. But ALPA doesn't like criticism, so they rode him out on a rail, then publicly tarred and feathered him. They've done that to all of us who have publicly criticized how ALPA does business, especially those of us who did it as insiders.

The bottom line is that "Joe" speaks truths that the mainline pilots don't want to hear and can't refute with facts. So they resort to petty name calling and personal attacks. It's old and it's lame.

JoeMerchant 09-01-2009 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 671241)
It sure is a gamble. In my 14 years here though, I know I have never said (or, heard anyone else say), "Man, I wish I had stayed at the commuters." But, I am lucky though, and for the moment, anyone flying for Delta is lucky, too. :)

Times have changed since you moved over to Delta/NWA. You hired on there a year after I started at ASA. When I first hired on at ASA, the senior most ASA pilot could be making more at Delta by his second year at Delta. Now, it takes about 10 years, not counting lost money, to get back to even....See how the paradigm has shifted a little?

Point is, the decisions of 15 years ago aren't the same now.


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