Don't forget the Vice-President giving his opinion during a television interview.

Thats another reason to get rid of as many little jets as possible from the DAL system. Another 50+ coming off-line in 2010.:)

They may be YOUR aircraft, but it's OUR flying. At the end of the day, you're no different that the guy who I pay to take of my lawn. He may come and mow it every two weeks, but it's still MY lawn. When the day comes that I want to mow it myself, then I will and he'll have to find another source of income. And guess what, that day is coming.

It's completely immaterial what happened earlier. Right or wrong, we let the company outsource our flying. Now we want it back and we have every right to do so. If that affects your career, tough. Delta owes you nothing.

This isn't about the pay rates. I don't care if you fly 1 day a month and pocket $300K a year.

The truth is that you have no control over your future. There is no decision that ASA/SkyWest can make that will have an impact on my job, unless we as a pilot group let it. In that case, those injuries are self inflicted and we have nothing but ourselves to blame. However, Delta has much sway over your future, none of which you can control. Just ask the career guys at ACA or Air Wisconsin. They're either out of a job or lost good paying positions (ie. BAE146 in Denver) to commute to a lousy paying job across the country (CRJ200 in PHL or ORF).

You made your choice and I hope it works out for you. But don't come on here and pee and moan about we want OUR flying back.

Okay, question, there are a lot of things that have been detrimental to the quality of the airline experience and lifestyle for airline pilots. We could write a long laundry list of things but if we singled out just two things on that list which would you consider worse?:

A) The relaxation of scope, or

B) Southwest Airlines. (not talking about the pilots, talking about an airline that gets away with a lot of b.s., see below)

Dozens of Southwest Airlines planes continue to operate even though federal investigators discovered last month that they were using unauthorized parts.

The Federal Aviation Administration ordered the airline to fix the problem and gave Southwest until Tuesday to replace the parts on more than 80 of its jets. The airline filed for and received extension to finish the job and now has until Dec. 24.


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And fwiw, that cow outside the JetBlue plane would eat his own cow patties if this guy told him too...
http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pi...1107165346.jpg
:D Just teasing longhorns.

4 DAYS AND COUNTING! And Satchip, looking forward to that game Saturday night, it should be a good one.

And one thing to add, the most bad ass thing done in an airplane today is: http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/loca...Video_20090831

????? for telling the truth?

OK...Let's see if I have this right....

You are going to restore your pay and benefits and bring the SJ flying back in house in this environment. How exactly do you plan on doing that?

Just for the debate, do you think the SJ flying that you "recapture" will be with a mainline type contract for that flying? Or will it be it a sub ASA/CMR pay and workrules?

Can you get someone who witnessed this seminal event to come to the head of the line? Guys like pennenkamp and merchant don't count...they have an agenda!:p

If you listen to crew room rumors....

But you confuse me. If the rumor were true (it's not), then wouldn't it be a step that you've professed to want? Inclusion? Inclusive scope discussions? Rodney King (can't we all just get along?):D

Tell me you're not getting skittish of the results you've bleated about since before you assumed this anonymous pseudonym. Maybe the JSC has been working in the direction you've wanted all along! Or not.

PLEASE....that turnip truck passed a long, long time ago.:rolleyes:

Serious question.

What tool would the Delta MEC Chairman possibly have to "protect" a carrier, especially one that's not in compliance with its DCI contract?

We're not in Section 6, and neither are you (yet).

I think the majority of pilots are willing to get it on the ticket by any means necessary. Fact is that those on the list do not want to take concessions in their pay to get it here. What that means that in effect we will have to agree to some sort of "B" scale for these jets. Ugly yes, but it may be necessary to restore this profession.
It is a political hot potato, but the fact is that the majority of the guys that I talk to would be willing to do something to get it done. In the end the opinion of the whole group is what matters. Not a few. Maybe the MEC has polled us on that, and realizes that not enough have the stomach for it. I have not been asked these type of questions though.

In the end if people want this flying some sort of deal will need to be done.

The question is does it serve the best interests of the Delta Pilots?


Just my thoughts.

You're doing a great job making an economic argument to management.

Which is more expensive, an 18 year ASA CRJ-900 payrate, or a 3 year DAL CRJ-900 Captain at our book rate? Don't forget that mainline does all your ground work at the hub, and there's a complete layer of redundant middle management, and that the DCI contract requires an "overide" if you're in compliance.

Keep typing!:D