Originally Posted by newtodal (Post 519115)

I have seen a lot of concern regarding displacements, particularly with the Jr. DAL pilots, and to be honest, I think they should be worried and here is why.

First off I commute to the DC9 FO in MSP. I can actually hold the 320 but choose the 9 so I can be about half way up the list instead of at the bottom of the 320 list. If I look at the new list I can see the that the 2 DAL pilots directly above me both fly the 767 out of ATL, the one pilot below me is on the 737-800 out to SLC and the DAL pilot 4 under me is on the 767 out of SLC. There is also a MD88 guy but I can’t remember what base, even though they were hired 2 years after me.

So first off I will tell you that I intend to bid the 767 as soon as I possibly can and would prefer to commute anywhere in the country other than MSP, DTW or NYC. Sorry about that Jr. DAL guys it is what it is and I am sure you would do the same.

Also, I have talked to no less than 75 NW FO's who fly the 320, DC9 and 757 and with the exception of about 12 or 13 who seemed happy to fly the 9 or 320 every single one of them intends to bid into bigger and better paying aircraft ASAP and I would say that at least 40 of them want to bid into DAL bases to improve their commute or QOL. To be honest a lot of the 320 guys like the plane but would like to see it moved to SLC, LAX or ATL to improve their commutes.

I have not talked to as many Captains but the few I have spoken with also are very excited about the opportunities that their new found seniority has given them. I am not sure what aircraft most of them want but a fair amount of them commute for the west or south and they are excited about having some bases closer to their homes.

So anybody that does not think you are going to see huge numbers of NW pilots bidding into the aircraft and bases that DAL brings to the table is not being honest with themselves or the DAL guys.

I am also sure that some DAL guys will bid into the NW aircraft and bases, I just don’t have enough contact with the DAL crews to see how prevalent it will be.

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 519142)

You guys put a lot of equity in something we don't really care about. Nu

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 519132)

Heyas NTD,

Don't let these guys get to you.

These guys WANTED a ratio list. That's what they got. But, as it stands, you don't get everything you want, so, there goes those fences. They could have had nice TALL fences, but didn't feel like giving anything for it. That's the gamble of arbitration.

NWA guys take a hit in their movement in the coming years because the attrition that NWA brought is severely diluted. I don't mind sharing the attrition, as long as I get to make it up some other way.

Just so happens, this is the way. They get their movement later, we get ours now. It if pays more, bid what you can, when you can. Heck, do it even if it just means an easier commute.

Don't look back, and don't feel sorry. Being mad at a pilot because he bids for more money/QoL is stupid...like the parable of the stinging scorpion, it's just our nature. Maybe instead they should target their anger at their leadership that refused to negotiate an agreement that protected them, rather than exposing them.

It is what it is.

Nu

Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 519192)

Don't start spouting crap. Our proposals had fences in them....more than the 777.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 519204)

It seems to me that talking about bidding the "other guys" bases and/or equipment is not very productive. If you are going to do it for whatever reason, just do it. I think we will all know who did what when we see NWA guys commuting to ATL or LAX and DAL guys flying the A-330. But, to broadcast your intentions at this sensitive time, IMHO only leads to divisive discussion. Which, to me, is getting pretty old.

I've heard these same conversations of "your bases" and "my airplanes" for 13+ years already from the RED/GREEN guys and I can tell all of you that it's a waste of time.

One week ago, the arbitrators gave all of us a number. I think you should use whatever number they gave you to make your life better, not sit around and talk about it.

See you in.... (I don't know)
New K Now

Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 519192)

Don't start spouting crap.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 519210)

I agree 100%. Don't pour salt in the wound. It's childish.

Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 519192)

Don't start spouting crap. Our proposals had fences in them....more than the 777.