You would flow back to the top of the Compass seniority list. All NWA flowbacks are senior to all current Compass pilots. You would be a CA unless enough senior guys flowed back on top of you and you got bumped to FO.

FO's are typed.

My understanding is that they do indeed type their FOs. You would obviously be given a CA seat first, unless of course they flow you down past a CA seat.(Currently around 300 total pilots, so about 150 CAs) You would also only be JUNIOR to mainline pilots SENIOR to you, who also flow down. No one at Compass has been offered a Flow Up, therefore no one has had the opportunity to turn it down. That is the only way a flow down could be junior to a Compass Pilot. If the agreement stayed completely intact, you would never get less then 2nd year CA pay/4th year FO pay. Otherwise, I believe your current longevity(if greater) is what you'd get paid. Hope this helps. I also hope no one has to flow down.

Thanks, guys, for all the info. With only 300 pilots at Compass, Delta would have to furlough less than 300 pilots for me to have a job at Compass. I'd more than likely be out on the street. Let's hope none of this happens to begin with!

I agree with you. I would think it would be cheaper to offer early outs, rather then displace/flow down. Maybe they don't have enough time to wait though. I really don't know. What I do know is that someone who most likely makes more $$$ then me does have it figured out. I'm sure they've run the #'s several times. The flow downs are purely speculation at this point. As I've said before, I hope none of us have to flow down.

If you guys parked 10 757 and 10 767, how would the furlough work. I heard that the 757 is a 1:1 but how is the 767 considered since nwa didn't have any?

I think that furloughs before SOC as a result of parking 757s would go 1:1. Furloughs from parking 767s before SOC would be only from the DAL side. So if they parked both 757s and 767s before SOC, then there would be more furloughs from the DAL side. Can anyone else chime in?

Second year CA pay per flow. Also start out just below any Compass pilot that has opted out of up flow. Currently there are none. So in essence every pilot that flows down starts at number one
FWIW, second year CA pay is 64 an hr!

Compass guys would know better but I believe there are around 350 pilots at Compass. Also there are 13 slots at Mesaba which would be CRJ900 CA slots. These 13 slots at Mesaba were left open when they flowed up to NWA in 2008.

Unless the economy worsens appreciably from today, I do not think there would be furloughs at DAL. The domestic flights will be cut by about 17% for sure but most of that would be leisure domestic fliers. Most economists predict that domestic business travels will remain relatively steady or decrease slightly. I assume any reduction in domestic business flying will be more than made up for by increase in international travels in the next 5 years. All the aviation analysis I have read point to fairly significant increase in international flying in the next 5 years.

I am sure that since the 757 is considered the same airplane on each property, and 1:1 per Bloch, we would both take it. Now if the 767-300ER takes it, I since it is a separate category DAL would take it.


I have the planned numbers, but I will not post em. It is not public knowledge, and in essence is the plan, not the policy. They are still in the decision stage on this. NWA will be parking planes too. How many and what remains to be seen.
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DAL does not want to furlough due to the huge cost associated with doing so. For them to furlough only 300-500 the costs are huge. The last 350 or so would be typed at least once (Compass), that is going for about 49K a type right now, then they might get one type on the way out the door. Add to that, if you are off property for even one day you need to go through indoc, and a complete initial course again. (even if you go back to the same jet) Guys we are talking serious cash here. For this reason, it would need to be over a two year furlough just to break even. Now we may furlough. The next three months are going to be the test for this. Bookings need to be decent for Jan-March. If they are still off by crazy amounts, we probably will see some pink slips.
Remember they are talking about 2011 as a return to the 07 passenger levels. If this forecast holds true, there simply is not enough time to break even to kick you out the door. It is cheaper to keep you here and pay you.

So you wouldn't anticipate furloughs (if there are any) before March? Is that about right?