Carl, if your goal is to preserve pre-merger equipment, status and pay - then you end up with equipment based ratios. Right now the majority of Delta is out of position for their seniority.

Using attrition as an equity in SLI is a new precedent.

The NWA guys get their cake now and will eat it as they rapidly bid the highest position they can hold, shutting the now junior Delta pilots out in "their" home bases.

It is what it is. We all need to remember it is not personal. The NWA pilots are good folks and they will take every advantage of a good opportunity. None of them wants to displace a Delta pilot, or force them to commute, there is no malice.

Delta went from a #1 pick to not quite as good a deal as plans B, or C. It is a shame that status quo was not awarded, but rather than complain, I'm putting my efforts elsewhere.

Bar,

I for one do not want to see you or any other DAL pilot get displaced. Do you really think that is what is going to happen? For what it's worth, I see stagnation, but not massive displacements. Also, remember that most of the old NWA guys had access to international flying on the 757, but chose to fly the DC-9 and A-320. They didn't take it then so they probably won't take it now. Finially, a lot of us (me included) have no desire to commute to ATL where they have massive delays when thee is onel cloud over Alabama. :)

If I have to commute, Detroit is my preference. I'm sure that for similar reasons, MEM and MSP are the places where a lot of other NWA guys would continue to prefer. The vast majority of the guys who live in ATL are old Republic guys who want no part of Widebody FO.

So come on bud, stick with us. Things might just work out. :D

New K Now

Can't get rid of me that easy. :)

Unfortunately, you've got it backwards. Flowdowns to Compass get paid the lesser of your current Delta longevity or 2nd year CA pay/4th year FO pay. So, it is quite possible to get stuck on first year FO pay if you are a very recent NWA/Delta hire. I wish I was wrong but I just read the contract today and it's right there in black and white.

I read it wrong too. Most guys will be in second year either way. A second year 88 FO makes more than that. So it will be second year CA pay.

Any former Republic pilot can now be a 767ER Captain in Atlanta. They don't have to worry about being a FO.

Companies Warn Cincinnati & NKY Govt of CVG Closure Email???
 

I've been hearing a lot of rumors about emails and letters from Proctor and Gamble, Toyota, General Electric, and Fidelity regarding their plans if Delta closes CVG. Apparently, they plan to shutdown a lot of facilities there.

#1. Does anyone have any copies?
#2. Is this scare tactics?
#3. Assuming the Big 3 footprint changes in light of the almost certain bankrupcies, do you see the game plan in DTW changing?

-Fatty

Actually, I'm not in the habit of posting things that I know are incorrect.

Yes there were other "areas" mentioned in ALPA merger policy back then, but Date Of Hire was ALPA's preferred methodology back then and (unfortunately for NWA pilots), ALPA put it in writing. I say unfortunately because our arbitrator cited ALPA's written preference for Date of Hire in his opinion statement.

That is incorrect. ALPA removed DOH as their preferred methodology, and ALL mention of other methods in place of the current language. Which states basically, fair and equitable...blah...blah....

Incorrect. The entire language was changed to remove all methods in favor of fair and equitable language.

Incorrect. It was ALPA's preferred method prior to 1991. I sure wish it wasn't, but it was.

Quite a bit wrong with this one, but here goes. You're confusing ALPA merger policy with ALPA's preferred merger methodology. ALPA never said DOH was the only method that shall be used, and no other method shall be allowed. ALPA policy had the written preference of DOH as the preferred methodology. They didn't outlaw other methods back then, and none are disallowed today. If you think ALPA disallows DOH after 1991, you really need to re-read ALPA policy.

Thomas Roberts issued his ruling in our merger on Nov 6, 1989. It was so devastating to the relative positions of former Northwest Airlines pilots that we worked hard on ALPA to remove the DOH preference. Especially given that Roberts gave it so much weight in his decision. In 1991, ALPA removed DOH as its preferred methodology and removed all other methods from its policy.

Carl

http://lebowskifest.com/images/dudnotinstickerplane.jpg

Bar, is that your airplane? It sure looks like a Delta 757. Found it on Lebowski fest dot com.