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flycrj200 09-01-2009 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 671547)
I was wondering if ASA and Comair contracts were dropped tomorrow and we never paid a dime to them again and then we ordered say 200 E-175s which were delivered by the afternoon, how much would we save having these planes in house even with higher paid pilots?

Delta does not have a contract with Comair. Since Comair is owned by Delta, Delta can ask Comair to reduce the flying to zero with no liability. But remember now, Comair has been a profitable airline and Comair’s profits go the bottom line of Delta.

slowplay 09-01-2009 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by flycrj200 (Post 671602)
Delta does not have a contract with Comair. Since Comair is owned by Delta, Delta can ask Comair to reduce the flying to zero with no liability. But remember now, Comair has been a profitable airline and Comair’s profits go the bottom line of Delta.

Delta was a very profitable airline.

Then we went bankrupt. :eek: Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

You might ask yourself why CMR has shrunk from 2000 active pilots to about 900 as of today...:eek: Losses go to the bottom line, too!

acl65pilot 09-01-2009 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 671596)
sweet. I want to be an A320 CA.

I am sure that you will be some day.

flycrj200 09-01-2009 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 671605)
Delta was a very profitable airline.

Then we went bankrupt. :eek: Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

You might ask yourself why CMR has shrunk from 2000 active pilots to about 900 as of today...:eek: Losses go to the bottom line, too!

First of all, I’m not trying to start an argument about Delta vs. Comair. I’m just explaining to “Forgot To Bid” that Delta can drop Comair in a heartbeat, but they have to shut it down and take the losses.
Your point does not make any sence. The reason why Comair has shrunk is because of the powers to be at Delta decided to outsource your flying to so many DCI carriers with GUARANTEED long term contracts. Now that the economy is shrinking and fuel price are continuing to climb, Delta has a need to reduce the overall flying across the system. The only way Delta can make the cuts at DCI without any stiff penalties is to cut the wholly owned flying. Comair continue to be a profitable airline and continues to reduce cost as directed by Delta. It’s money in your pocket.

slowplay 09-01-2009 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by flycrj200 (Post 671619)
First of all, I’m not trying to start an argument about Delta vs. Comair. I’m just explaining to “Forgot To Bid” that Delta can drop Comair in a heartbeat, but they have to shut it down and take the losses.
Comair continue to be a profitable airline and continues to reduce cost as directed by Delta. It’s money in your pocket.

Tell me again how many wholly owned DCI's Delta has, and then compare the shrinkage of CMR to that of Mesaba or Compass.

Your point about shutdown costs is correct. I think the evidence points differently to your assertion of profitability.

flycrj200 09-01-2009 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 671624)
Tell me again how many wholly owned DCI's Delta has, and then compare the shrinkage of CMR to that of Mesaba or Compass.

Your point about shutdown costs is correct. I think the evidence points differently to your assertion of profitability.

Numbers do not lie. I do not want to post the numbers on a public forum since Delta does not publish Comair numbers separately. If Comair is lossing so much money for Delta, just shut it down and take your losses now.

Boomer 09-01-2009 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 671070)
Nothing is preventing this from happening at ASA.


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 671255)
Actually, that's not true. As part of the deal for SkyWest to buy ASA, (and thus financing DAL's exit from bankruptcy), SkyWest Inc. was guaranteed a large portion of DAL feeder flying...

Understood, but how does the Delta/SkyWest deal protect ASA pilots?

Denny Crane 09-01-2009 09:42 PM

Comparatively speaking the money Delta received from the sale of ASA to Skywest was a VERY small amount of the total money received for bankruptcy exit financing. I dont believe it would have made any difference in the final outcome.

Eck4Life 09-01-2009 11:35 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 671624)
Tell me again how many wholly owned DCI's Delta has, and then compare the shrinkage of CMR to that of Mesaba or Compass.

Your point about shutdown costs is correct. I think the evidence points differently to your assertion of profitability.

If DL owns them all and therefore has no contract to worry about cancelling with any of them, it would make sense to shut down the one with the highest costs first. I'm by no means nearly as well versed as many on this board, but that is how I see it.

acl65pilot 09-02-2009 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by Eck4Life (Post 671703)
If DL owns them all and therefore has no contract to worry about cancelling with any of them, it would make sense to shut down the one with the highest costs first. I'm by no means nearly as well versed as many on this board, but that is how I see it.

It is also easier to cancel any contract where someone is not meeting the contractual metric. Do not forget that only two carriers will be in the bottom two as it relates to cost at their five year mark. That means a lot of cost adjustments for these FFD carriers.


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