Two wrongs do not make a right.

I would agree history has proven your point on scope. However I sense a change is blowing in the wind with the interest in LEC 44 positions and the strength of fNWA unionists. You are essentially leveraging your position and pay with the agreement of a flow through agreement. I concur we need your agreement for a flow through agreement but are you willing to risk it all on pay?? I see your on avatar you're 200 Captain. With the way Ma Delta is cutting 50 seat jets, do you really have such a secure position to remain steadfast in your leveraging ability?

What are you talking about? We didn't re-interview all the Northwest pilots and only take the ones that meet "Delta standards."

That statement needs its own thread.

Wow, John & Joe have ruined another webboard. I hated their ranting when I worked for a regional and I equally hate them now that I'm at a major. Please just go back to flightinfo and fight with general lee.

I can respect wanting to keep longevity for pay and bennies, I would want that too if I were in your position. Whether it's do-able or not, I don't know. Maybe a scenario like ACL laid out. I personally would not be on board with the pass travel DOH carry over. I know you don't like it, but that's how I feel and would not support any proposal that included that provision.

My main question to you was in regards to the red portion above. How do you get stapled, but protect "your" seats and have access to "our" seats as your seniority allows? That sounds like a one way fence to me and I don't see how you can have it both ways. In my mind either you forgo the right to bid into any equipment larger than what you currently operate and in return you cannot be bumped down your list. Or you take your chances with being temporarily bumped down, (or maybe up depending on what type of flying you like), in return for the right to bid anything in the system as your DAL seniority allows.

I'll be ok if the status quo prevails. Even with the elimination of the 50s, I'm senior enough to stay a captain for a while. And most likely SkyWest/ASA isn't going out of business with 800 million cash in the bank. We'll just find other flying outside of the DAL family or even buy someone. I'm not worried. Maybe I'll even leave the industry. I have lots of options.

How will you hold up with DAL continuing to outsource to the lowest cost providers? Your biggest threat is the Mesas, Colgans, and Go Jets of the world. Now's your big chance to take ALL scope back in house. Sounds like you guys have a lot more to gain than we have to lose.

BINGO!!!!!

No. Feel free to take your business elsewhere. It's a free country.

Like I said before, it's that's the only sticking point, we're doing pretty well!

It's easy. We integrate all ALPA DCIs by DOH. Then we staple it to the bottom of the DAL list. Two way fences protect both of us. We both keep doing the jobs we do now, just can't be used against each other any more. A flow agreement for when DAL hires or furloughs will allow a metered number to cross the fence.

The biggest sticking point I can see is , as ACL65 mentioned, it will be hard to integrate the DCIs. ASA will probably have to take a pay cut to get a DCI average pay rate.