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BalloonChaser 06-19-2009 10:48 PM

Well, If I get "streeted" and took a job at Starbuck's at least the free coffee would be worth a couple thousand a year I wouldn't need to spend!?... Wait!?... The 25% discount for employees at the .99 cent store doesn't look too bad either - Free coffee or .75cent frozen hot dogs? Damn I can't decide!?...

rvr350 06-19-2009 10:51 PM

Try Republic, Skywest(maybe). Besides, with most major's in financial trouble, regionals with deep pockets are actually paying to play. Ask Airwisconsin, Republic...the list goes on.

How screw up is that, eh?

rvr350 06-19-2009 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by BalloonChaser (Post 632113)
Well, If I get "streeted" and took a job at Starbuck's at least the free coffee would be worth a couple thousand a year I wouldn't need to spend!?... Wait!?... The 25% discount for employees at the .99 cent store doesn't look too bad either - Free coffee or .75cent frozen hot dogs? Damn I can't decide!?...

I think for some of us who has been commuting for the past decade, getting "F"d may not be as bad as it sounds. I'd rather take a paycut, get unemployment for 6 months, sleep in my own bed for a change. Besides, I know i'll have the next 30+ years wearing the same uniform. Now's the time to see if I can crack it in the "real" world, i.e. get a job! I know some of my friends who know nothing but flying an ILS approach to minimums, and would not even fathom working anywhere else. Maybe those will not hesitate to take a job as an FO at CPZ. I know i will have a tough time deciding.

BalloonChaser 06-19-2009 11:15 PM

I hear ya. I think it would be stay at home with the kiddo's, let the sugar Momma keep plugging away and pick up a corporate trip or so/month with my old gig to stay current. Not sure I'd commute for the F/O deal at CPZ? But, everyone's got a different situation and I empathize with those who would find themselves in a world of hurt if they got put out in the "real" world and I'm happy for those that have a "back-up." As a "Plan for the worst, hope for the best" sort of person, let's just hope the economy turns around sooner rather than later and the widget proceeds to take over the aviation world as we had planned from the start!?...

CVG767A 06-20-2009 02:56 AM

Hey Dave, how's domestic treating you? Missing those Kiev layovers yet? (We all will be, starting this fall...)

acl65pilot 06-20-2009 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by Ralphie (Post 632109)
2 points:

- if there's a furlough, I doubt it would be small groups at a time, but rather one or two large ones. That way, the company doesn't have to pay for excess training at Compass on the way down, only during recall. ie, they drop 1000, in reality only have to train the number from that group that takes a Compass position. If they could hold off on recalls until they could bring them all back quickly, that would mitigate the training costs on the way back.

- how many would sit right seat there? very few, only the guys/gals who had absolutely nothing else to do or needed the jumpseating rights/medical, which is important, but what I envision is about 170 formal DAL captains and mostly a bunch of ****ed off displaced Compass captains sitting right seat. What a great time that would be.

Of course there's a great rumor flying around now about the company "selling" Compass in some whacked out scheme to eradicate the flowback agreement.

Any July/August AE rumors floating around out there? Most curious about where # of positions will increase and decrease.

That would make sense at first glance, but the fact is that they need to cost out guys coming back in through the bottom of CPS as they start to recall. Plus, I see it very unlikely that you will see 1000 furloughs.
Give away more scope and 76 seat flying, maybe.
In that case you may see a J4J deal with the sale of compass. I sure hope not, but you never know.
Best case would be Compass here, restrictions on the remaining 76 seat flying and a nice order of larger E jets. It makes sense for the company, and would be great furlough mitigation.
Once can always wish :rolleyes:

Scoop 06-20-2009 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 632144)

Give away more scope and 76 seat flying, maybe.
In that case you may see a J4J deal with the sale of compass. I sure hope not, but you never know.
Best case would be Compass here, restrictions on the remaining 76 seat flying and a nice order of larger E jets. It makes sense for the company, and would be great furlough mitigation.
Once can always wish :rolleyes:

ACL or anyone,
If DAL furloughs wouldn't the contract require all 76 seaters to be reduced to 70 seats?
Scoop

rahc 06-20-2009 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 632081)
I did some digging a while back and managed to find the flow back agreement (don't ask me where I found it - I don't remember). What I remember from reading it was - The flow back is voluntary for displaced Delta pilots - taking it (or not) does not affect your recall rights - if you take the flow back and then quit Compass, your recall rights are not affected - if you get fired from Compass, then goodbye Delta job! Also, I seem to remember that if you have completed probation at Delta then you will not be on probation at Compass

Thanks Dash! I would assume that if flowing down to Compass, you are responsible for their 1-year training contract also..... Does anyone know if that would be true? Does that start from DOE?

acl65pilot 06-20-2009 04:20 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 632157)
ACL or anyone,
If DAL furloughs wouldn't the contract require all 76 seaters to be reduced to 70 seats?
Scoop

No.

The post 01 hires only remove the six seat in the aircraft that were part of the 76 seat scope settlement. Furlough an 01 hire and this is where you see the 6 seats being removed from the aircraft that the limit going down to 55 jets.
In effect 900 people are not covered under the tighter restrictions. At SOC that number is reduced to the most junior of pilots. I believe that number is 476 pilots that do not have a 2001 hire slotted below them.
So after SOC it they could furlough 476 pilot and only have to block first then take out 153 seats.
Reference Contract Awareness 09-01 (CA 09-01) PDF file is in the DALPA library. I have pasted the sections on here so many times that you can just go look it up. The union did a good job explaining the settlement.

Fly4hire 06-20-2009 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 632081)
if you get fired from Compass, then goodbye Delta job!

A good reason to have the DAL MEC continue representing CPS pilots, no?


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