I'm not sure you'll get anywhere with that. Our agreements are with Shuttle America and Chautauqua Airlines, both of which supposedly comply with our current scope restrictions. Shuttle America and Republic Airlines exist today for the sole purpose of making RAH money while circumnavigating scope clauses of Delta and American. Frontier will still be a different airline, owned by a corporate holding company (RAH), that just also happens to own two airlines that we have agreements with.
This is one reason of many why we need all Delta flying on the Delta seniority list!

We fun. Wish I could be at the LEC meeting today. Fact is that RAH just bought an airline with the money DAL has paid them from the margins we guarantee them. How ironic.
I think that it is high time we stop outsourcing our flying. Maybe some day Skywest will buy DAL and then we will get integrated with their pilots.

IMHO the game just changed. They may not be a DCI carrier much longer, but it might not be for the reasons you think.
Bar, you were correct that RAH was up to something. Just not what you feared. That said. I hope you made a killing!

the question will be if we can argue the definition of "domestic air carrier", i know the multiple certificates is a shell game but it is definitely worth fighting. We all know its the same airline.


2. If a domestic air carrier operates both permitted aircraft types and aircraft other than permitted aircraft types, the exemption for that domestic air carrier provided by

Section 1 D. 1.

If you get fired from Burger King you don't lose your recall rights to DAL.

Am I missing something? Why are you so worried about getting fired from a company? You're a professional pilot and operate at your required standards at Delta. Obviously you haven't had any major problems with training here. Do the regionals fire at random?

Although, I'm previous military, I worked at three different companies between the Navy and Delta, but no regional. Is it that bad, as far as being in constant jeopardy at the regional level?

TC

Hmmmmmmm........Interesting. I heard about this possibility. I'm not saying anything else though. ;)

Here's a crazy thought. Brian Bedford does the weight mods to the E175s flying DAL Connection knowing the DAL contract is on the rocks that way he can take them to do YX flying or F9 flying. Something about this Frontier thing smells.

Heck, an even crazier thought is that DAL actually PAID for the mods to get out of the contract. I know. It's nuts. I'm jus thinking out loud here.

I was curious about being off the property as it applies to some hypothetical merger. In the past the theory has been espoused that being at compass while on furlough could put you at serious risk if the was some new merger.

I don't know, but would not want our pilots to have to play that game regardless. If we flow down we bump everyone out of their Captains seats, including check airman and instructors eventually. You don't think there might be some sour grapes and axes to grind with them losing their jobs? It's happen before in mergers in the training department. Also it gives CPS management extreme leverage against DAL pilots who might be more vocal about union activities and contract compliance. I'm not worried about the professionalism of our pilots, but that of the PO'd bounced CPS pilots and management. Why go there if you don't have to.

Again a real good reason to have the CPS pilots continue to have the representational horsepower of our MEC. Getting rid of that onerous little bit might be a future contract enhancement....

I see....

It's a catch-22. I think the flow-thru with Compass may mitigate some furloughs because of the overall expense. It would have been nice when I was furloughed from Delta in June '02 to have had this option available. I do understand that some of the Compass pilots would be bent out of shape, but I believe that many of them see a bigger picture. Face it, this industry can be painful for all of us at times..

The Compass guys I've spoken with like the fact that we have a flow-thru. They understand the positives and negatives of this agreement. The Captains and FO's I've spoken with want to keep their representation under our MEC. They also have told me that they would like to be on our list, even if it meant a furlough. Those are not my words, but those of the 4 Compass pilots that I have spoken with face-to-face, so please don't shoot the messenger. ;)

I see this agreement as a major plus for our pilot group and shows that the fNWA pilots have the big picture and are attempting to hold firm on SCOPE. I'm glad to have a little extra backbone in our pilot group.

Times are a changin'.........