Thanks porpilot!:cool:

CALL to ACTION!!!!!
 

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No wait... I don't matter. I am junior. I always forget my place, the union doesn't represent everyone on the list. And I forget that scope and job protection is not their inherent responsibility, nor is communication about an issue that is raging in some sectors of the pilot group for months is of any importance.

I'm on an overnight, I too would like to hear about the DAL 44 meeting if anyone wants to scribble it out.

Don't give up! Somehow, "WE" have to find a political way to make our voice heard. The fact that we are here is a good first step. There has to be political consequences to ignoring the SCOPE issue. Perhaps RAH buying MidWest and Frontier with the profits of a poorly negotiated contract (No Risk for the sub-contractor) make good fodder for the SCOPE issue!

Don't roll over!!!!!!:eek:

Jr. Pilot: "I'd like a bowl of branded scope?"
DAL MEC: "Get off of my list, no scope for you!!!"

Apparently at the LEC meeting today, the only people who spoke against the Scope Report resolution were the two DALPA negotiators.

These guys are supposed to be our adovocates. What does it say that they don't support scope education of the rank and file. I can't wait to see the next T/A they negotiate. Maybe we need new negotiators.

There is a new T/A regarding code share with KLM/AF about to be presented to the MEC. If these two were part of the process, God help us.

I was very disappointed with the attitude the reps displayed. It seemed to me that they were very combative when questioned and on at least 2 occasions they cut the discussion short because they were being questioned. During one of the reps reports he repeatedly stated that he could not make a "business case" (from a pilot's perspective) for outsourcing a 100+ seat aircraft to DCI. Thats great, but I can only assume that he believes a "business case" can be made for outsourcing a 76 seat aircraft, since he did not mention it. That is the attitude that must change. There is no reason why DAL pilots cannot fly 76 seaters, lets not forget that there are versions of the DC9 that were smaller.

Look people, let me make it simple for you......

You begin your flying career with aspirations of getting paid to fly, usually for an airline. If during the pursuit of that career the market trends toward smaller aircraft on certain routes, that perhaps were once flown by larger ones, then that is the aircraft you fly. The scope argument at its core is not about aircraft, it is about jobs. If DAL used to fly from ATL to BHM in a 757, but the market now only supports a CRJ700, then that is the aircraft you fly. You don't outsource the city pair because you somehow feel above the aircraft that the market can support.

We can't all fly the 747

I was only able to attend half of the meeting, as I had a C period sim. We went through some old biz (admins stuff mostly), and then we had a scope history briefing. The "Compass" issue came up only after about 28 min. into the meeting (what a shock, eh?:) Moak wasn't in attendance.

When asked is there any plan in detail communicating with the pilot group in the event of a furlough, what exactly can we expect, i.e. flow to Compass, benefits, training... the officers commented that concerned pilots should contact their union reps if they have any specific questions, and seemed to me that they don't want all the specifics ironed out right now (LEC commented that is for our own benefits?)

The floor posted a question about scope in general, and the consensus was that RJs have been taking "some" of our flying, however, they believe the trend isn't worsening.

That's all i could take before I had to go, without able to vote(non 44 member). I'm sure someone will be able to brief ya all about any fireworks later on in the meeting.

Time to burn the house down.

Outstanding post.

I am a Compass pilot as well. I also was hired prior to NWA hiring and the same applies to the first 80 plus pilots at Compass. I sat in the interview with a NWA HR specialist and NWA pilots and was told that the only way to NWA was thru Compass. Obviously, things changed, I can tell you that there are junior NWA pilots who wanted to get on at Compass but didn't meet the experience level of the first 80 plus Compass people and could NOT get the interview. I have 3 friends from my old airline that wanted help getting a Compass interview. Unfortunatley at the time everything was based on a computer score and those with the highest qualifications got called first. Lucky for them they didn't get the call because now they have a mainline number. Now these same pilots may get there shot at Compass after all... It's a crap sandwich but not the end of the world.

I truely believe that virtually all compass pilots understand and embrace the plight of our Delta brothers and sisters. Every refugee at compass has seen there career asperiations deterated by the continuing outsourcing of mainline jobs for less paying regional jobs with little or no job security. Nobody wants to get furloughed but i believe in my heart that it would be embraced by Compass pilots if we were assured of having a chair at the dinner table. I have been at 3 regionals now and a Captain at two i am tired of having to worry that my job will be put out for a R.F.P and go to the lowest bidder. It would be nice if Mainline pilots would fight to maintain the flow thru as well as attempt to protect us. We stand united with the mainline pilots even if that means being furloughed, however we want to be assured that we are protected by our big brother. Our Contract has language that assures a flow thru but so did eagle.

I am concerned we at Compass don't have much backing from the Delta MEC. Even though we are in the same MEC/LEC, there seems to be a uneasy feeling amongst the Compass clan that Delta's MEC will sell us out. I hope i am wrong but the meetings we have been too seem to indicate that the Delta MEC doesn't much care for us. I have talked to a few union reps and the sympathy from the NWA vs. Delta reps is like night and day.