I just finished a 5 day Friday & planes were PACKED! I did a lot of max gross takeoffs & max gross landings. I hope we're not fire selling these tickets, because people are definitely flying.

All the kids just got out of school. Flights are always full this time of year. Most of May they were empty. Also keep in mind that the load a flight carries does not relate to the profit it makes. Marketing can fill every flight if they desire. The balance is how you fill the seat at a price point that is profitable. Yields are down 20 percent from last year. Absent a yield improvement the rest of the year is not going to be great. Break even at best. Had there not been major capacity reductions yields would be much lower this summer.

ts,

I was supporting your argument by adding that if the the -190 rates are $20 less than what the -9 is, it can't be that objectionable because thats what the -9 got paid last year. Ok. Now I confused myself. :D

Thats why I said I hope we aren't fire selling the tickets. ;)

Yes. You could get notice that you will get displaced 3 1/2 months later. If it happens, you normally see it coming. The system works great unless there is a major shift downward, unexpectedly, like 9/11 or bankrupcy. Which has tought me to be very aware of by bid EVERY September. ;)

DAL COUNCIL 44 MEETING NOTICE


DATE:
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
TIME:
10:30 a.m.– 2:00 p.m.
PLACE:
DoubleTree Club Hotel

ATL Airport
400 Norman Berry Drive
Atlanta, GA 30344
(404) 763-1600

Council 44 will pay for parking at this hotel for the LEC meeting.

AGENDA:
1. Officer Reports
2. Old Business
- Approval of Meeting Minutes
3. New Business
- Master Chairman and Supreme Leader Lee Moak
- MEC Negotiating Committee Update
- MEC Training Committee
- Scope Brief Resolution (see attached PDF)

Proxy Form Attached and Allowed for the Scope Resolution and Approval of Meeting Minutes.

Any thoughts about the pending meeting?

Scheduling just called so I'm flying. :(

What was the pdf on the scope resolution?

Sounds like a conspiracy! The Company is flying all the Scope Hawks to keep them from voting!

TIC

SUBJECT: Scope Brief and Scope Updates for the Pilots of Council 44
SOURCE: Armando Gomez
PROPOSED RESOLUTION:

WHEREAS the scope language in Section 1 of the Delta Pilot Working Agreement (PWA) binds Delta Air Lines to the Delta pilots and the Delta PWA, and

WHEREAS Section 1 of the Delta Pilot Working Agreement states, “Except as provided in Sections 1 D, E, N, O, and Q: All flying performed by or for the Company or any affiliate will be performed by pilots in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA,” and

WHEREAS there have been several modifications to the Delta Pilot Working Agreement over several contracts, with subsequent agreements expanding the amount of Delta flying performed by other than Delta pilots, and

WHEREAS the pilots of Council 44 wish to monitor the effectiveness of Section 1 in protecting Delta pilot jobs, and

WHEREAS the pilots of Council 44 desire transparency on the level of outsourcing of Delta flying, and

WHEREAS it is in the best interest of the pilots of Council 44 that they have reliable and current data from their council in order to form opinions on the effectiveness of Section 1 in protecting Delta pilot jobs, as opposed to rumors and speculation,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that Council 44 request the Council 44 representatives brief Council 44 on the history of scope at DAL at the next scheduled LEC 44 meeting. This brief should, to the greatest extent possible, contain an explanation of scope language and changes to scope language since the 1986 Delta Pilot Working Agreement, as well as year by year information on the numbers and types of aircraft operated by our Connection carriers, numbers and types of aircraft operated by the mainline, as well as block hours, ASMs, revenue carried, or other information the Council 44 representatives feel is appropriate, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that Council 44 request the Council 44 representatives to provide periodic updates on our code-share agreements to the council, to include to the greatest extent possible:
1) The number and type of aircraft engaged in Category A and C operations limited under the language of Sections 1D4, 1D5, and 1D6.
2) The number of block hours, ASMs, departures, and revenue attributed to Category A and C operations.
3) The current percentages, number of seats, or number of flights limited under the language of Sections 1E2a, 1E2b, 1E2c, 1E2d, and 1E8.
4) The current and historic number of block hours flown under the company’s “Joint Venture” with Air France/KLM and limited under the language of Section 1P.
5) The current number and types of aircraft in the Delta mainline fleet.
6) The number of pilots employed and DOH of the most junior captain at Delta Air Lines.

Or any other data the Council 44 representatives feel is appropriate so that the pilots of Council 44 can determine the effectiveness of Section 1 in protecting Delta pilot jobs and careers, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that Council 44 direct its representatives report to the Council 44 pilots actions taken on the above resolution in a timely manner.

I don't think so, I've always had a van with no windows show up at my home and give me my assignment. Its the norm. I'd be cheaper to call but hey, I'll admit that I don't see the big picture.

Actually, all kidding aside, who are we fighting to get Compass combined and strengthen scope? The Company or the Union :mad: or both? Sometimes I feel as if the company would let us have E175s if we fought for em, maybe I'm wrong.

The resolution is simply a request for LEC 44 to publish official data on the metrics useful to follow the results of scope bargaining. It's usefulness is limited as even our MEC can't figure out if Republic is in compliance and is waiting for a member to bring them a smoking gun before they do anything. Still, I'll take any help we can get. I strongly suggest that if you are inclined to vote, but are not available that you sign a proxy and get it to a friend who will be in attenance. The author of the resolution has repeatedly posted ways to contact him for this purpose.

The Company could care even less than our union does about those of us who seek scope restoration. If anything, our own flight operations management pulls for their team.

What many people don't get is that there is a disconnect between what our flight operations management wants and what they get from the highest levels of Company leadership. In effect our flight operations management is not a whole lot different than flight operations management at any of our regional competitors. They hope we get flying and grow.