The guys that kept their date of travel where hired at COEX when the flowthrough was still in place. That includes the PIGS. Essentially, they were promised this benefit when they got hired on at COEX.

Now, there are a few COEX guys who were later hired off-the-street who kept their longevity. IIRC, It was an agreement between the two MECs and the cutoff was that you had to be hired before the end of 2006 or 2007 (I don't remember the year). Anyone after that date would start from scratch, even if they came from COEX. I don't know how many pilots fit in this category but I don't believe it's many. Again, this was something both sides agreed on.

Now what did happen is that for a while, ex-COEX guys hired after the cutoff date still kept their date of travel. Someone got wind of this, and those guys got their date of travel reset to their CAL DOH. This happened to a friend of mine who lost about 10 years of travel seniority.

This thing with DCI is completely different. There is no flowthrough in place. Guys like Joe and John didn't go to ASA with the hopes of flowing up through Delta. Why should they be rewarded for sitting on the sidelines while the rest of us had the skills and the cajones to take the leap? The fact that they have an opportunity to get on with a major carrier without jumping through all the hoops the rest of us had to go through should be reward enough.

I also agree that if they chose stay at DCI, then any flowbacks would go below them.

I agree, it is about recapturing the flying but I think we start by capturing aircraft and then hire. That's what I like about Compass, get the planes, the pilots are already in a flow and were hired with NWA oversight and 330 pilots or whatever the number is hardly noticeable. Expand the flying and start hiring the best candidates throughout the industry, 121, MIL, etc.

The biggest joke I ever saw when it came to flows is when CAL did pref interviewing with COex guys and if hired these pilots got a seniority number in the next class at CAL but were to stay at Coex until they flowed up but once they did they had a seniority from a much much earlier class. There was this punk at Coex that CAL turned down in the pref interview but later he got to flow up anyways... and flow down where is bitter antics about cost him or did cost him both jobs. So there is a guy who an airline doesn't want, proves himself to be the wrong guy but they had to take him anyways. Not wise. I think that's why I like Compass' situation best in how they were hired.

Yeah, that was an informative post.

Up,

Better said that I. Been so long I couldn't remember all the specifics.

Thanks for making my point so clearly... it is all about "your" longevity, "your" payrates, "your" benefits, "your" pass travel.....

I think you may need to check your logic and crystal ball. You just told me I need to worry about: "the Mesas, Colgans, and Go Jets of the world" When in a following post you qoute "I think RAH will be going away anyhow (from DCI), and Mesa is a dead man walking." So I need to be worried about them why???? Tell Indy, XJT, Air Whiskey and a multidue others that they had more to gain than lose..........

Let me say it again "we can offer a net cost savings." or at least a break even when you account for the profit we pay contract carriers.

And how is your opinion any different? You asked MY opinion and I gave it to you. Cheap comeback to simply point out the fact that I gave you MY perspective.

Why worry? Because they are CURRENTLY here putting downward pressure on your contract, and giving DAL more incentive to transfer YOUR flying to DCI. (Duh).

So you're saying the guaranteed profit DAL pays the contract carriers makes that much difference between the DCI contracts' compensation level and the DAL contract? Really? If that's the case, when why wouldn't the MBAs at DAL simply eliminate DCI? Either the numbers aren't what you think they are, or there's criminal negligence going on at DAL! Somebody call the FTC!!!

Can you provide one of those promises?

Just one?

Didn't thinks so.

You talk trade unionist, then type stuff like this...:mad:

Maybe someday you'll step off your soapbox and do some actual work as a trade unionist.:rolleyes: For now it appears you're content to malign, misrepresent, and impugn.

+1 From JP. The obstructionists will be the ones who kill all hope of peaceful coexistence. If we don't end the whipsaw, the race to the bottom will continue until we work for Greyhound wages. Our only hope is cooperation. THAT is trade unionism. Unfortunately trade unionists are about as common as Democrats in this industry.