Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 672488)

Like I said before, it's that's the only sticking point, we're doing pretty well!



It's easy. We integrate all ALPA DCIs by DOH. Then we staple it to the bottom of the DAL list. Two way fences protect both of us. We both keep doing the jobs we do now, just can't be used against each other any more. A flow agreement for when DAL hires or furloughs will allow a metered number to cross the fence.

The biggest sticking point I can see is , as ACL65 mentioned, it will be hard to integrate the DCIs. ASA will probably have to take a pay cut to get a DCI average pay rate.

Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 672492)

Well I'd be on board with something like that. Combining the DCI's would be troublesome to say the least. I mean do you just do Comair & ASA? How do you handle the ones that contract to more than one Major? How the hell would you sort out the RAH furball?

Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 672488)

Like I said before, it's that's the only sticking point, we're doing pretty well!



It's easy. We integrate all ALPA DCIs by DOH. Then we staple it to the bottom of the DAL list. Two way fences protect both of us. We both keep doing the jobs we do now, just can't be used against each other any more. A flow agreement for when DAL hires or furloughs will allow a metered number to cross the fence.

The biggest sticking point I can see is , as ACL65 mentioned, it will be hard to integrate the DCIs. ASA will probably have to take a pay cut to get a DCI average pay rate.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 672491)

The question is will you to get this done?
It does not matter, we need to decide as each group if we are going to forge ahead with this to start, then we will worry about the hows.

Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 672472)

I can respect wanting to keep longevity for pay and bennies, I would want that too if I were in your position. Whether it's do-able or not, I don't know. Maybe a scenario like ACL laid out. I personally would not be on board with the pass travel DOH carry over. I know you don't like it, but that's how I feel and would not support any proposal that included that provision.

My main question to you was in regards to the red portion above. How do you get stapled, but protect "your" seats and have access to "our" seats as your seniority allows? That sounds like a one way fence to me and I don't see how you can have it both ways. In my mind either you forgo the right to bid into any equipment larger than what you currently operate and in return you cannot be bumped down your list. Or you take your chances with being temporarily bumped down, (or maybe up depending on what type of flying you like), in return for the right to bid anything in the system as your DAL seniority allows.

Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 672492)

Well I'd be on board with something like that. Combining the DCI's would be troublesome to say the least. I mean do you just do Comair & ASA? How do you handle the ones that contract to more than one Major? How the hell would you sort out the RAH furball?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 672494)

I'm against a flow through and I am absolutely against the idea of stapling ASA or Comair.

I saw we take Compass, they're small, they've got big airplanes and we grow Compass and shrink and eliminate the other DCIs.

Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 672496)

I think it would be worth it. But anything is a long way down the road. I'd say 5 years at least. A lot can change.