Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-12-2013, 07:25 AM
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Boeing has massive lobbying influence to keep the subsidies rolling via Exim thanks to the military industrial complex. AMR is sitting this one out because Boeing is on the creditors committee. UAL is all chummy because Chicago based Boeing is a big corp customer. DL is fighting an uphill battle, but the new board member, former AG for the DOT, will lend some horsepower to the cause. Right now, our own government is our biggest threat to our livelyhood.
I don't know how many of you know this but "United" was actually started by Boeing (under a different name that I can't quite remember offhand). It was eventually spun/sold off because of US AntiTrust laws.
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Boeing has massive lobbying influence to keep the subsidies rolling via Exim thanks to the military industrial complex. AMR is sitting this one out because Boeing is on the creditors committee. UAL is all chummy because Chicago based Boeing is a big corp customer. DL is fighting an uphill battle, but the new board member, former AG for the DOT, will lend some horsepower to the cause. Right now, our own government is our biggest threat to our livelyhood.
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04-12-2013, 07:39 AM
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I don't know how many of you know this but "United" was actually started by Boeing (under a different name that I can't quite remember offhand). It was eventually spun/sold off because of US AntiTrust laws.
Denny
Interestingly enough, Walter Varney (founder of Varney Air Lines, also founded Varney Speed Lines), which later became Continental.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines
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04-12-2013, 08:08 AM
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I try to stay out of the ALPA bashing. I just couldn't let this post go unremarked.
I agree that no one should work for free. You have nothing to sell but your time, skills, expertise. I sell mine to DAL.
Having said that, don't BS people trying to make them think you are some kind of super entrepreneur. Leaving one MEC and consulting by the minute for another MEC hardly qualifies one as a Master of the Universe.
You are no better than Dave Greenberg or Harry Alger.
I agree that no one should work for free. You have nothing to sell but your time, skills, expertise. I sell mine to DAL.
Having said that, don't BS people trying to make them think you are some kind of super entrepreneur. Leaving one MEC and consulting by the minute for another MEC hardly qualifies one as a Master of the Universe.
You are no better than Dave Greenberg or Harry Alger.
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04-12-2013, 08:09 AM
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Founded in 1926 as Varney Air Lines. Name changed to "Boeing Air Transport" in 1927. Finally, in 1934, it became the United Airlines we know it as today.
Interestingly enough, Walter Varney (founder of Varney Air Lines, also founded Varney Speed Lines), which later became Continental.
United Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Interestingly enough, Walter Varney (founder of Varney Air Lines, also founded Varney Speed Lines), which later became Continental.
United Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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04-12-2013, 09:20 AM
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If he was tired, ill, his personal situation had changed, or he didn't want to do union work, then he should have returned to the line and flown a schedule like the rest of us. Instead, he is dropping trips and selling this expertise to another MEC on billed by the minute basis, plus expenses. Then he has the gall to come on here and tell us that his wife can afford to stay at home and all the money he is making.
LEC Rep is a very hard job and I have all the respect in the world for the people who do it. They step up and take the shots. They don't get a lot of reward. Our office staff at DALPA are really good people. They work very hard. I appreciate them every time I call DALPA.
These suckers on the MEC never simply return to the line. They don't like to fly. They always whine about what a sacrifice they have made and how hard they work. How many times have I had them get on my airplane to tell me what a great job I have and how great it is to fly the line.
Then, they get their buddies at ALPA to get them a cush, high paying job. Yeah, they really love to fly.
I know that's how it works. But, I don't have to like it.
04-12-2013, 09:37 AM
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Well, it certainly debunks the idea that our DALPA MEC is comprised of citizen volunteers who only wish to do good. He earned his expertise while working for DALPA. This expertise was paid for by our hard earned union dues.
If he was tired, ill, his personal situation had changed, or he didn't want to do union work, then he should have returned to the line and flown a schedule like the rest of us. Instead, he is dropping trips and selling this expertise to another MEC on billed by the minute basis, plus expenses. Then he has the gall to come on here and tell us that his wife can afford to stay at home and all the money he is making.
LEC Rep is a very hard job and I have all the respect in the world for the people who do it. They step up and take the shots. They don't get a lot of reward. Our office staff at DALPA are really good people. They work very hard. I appreciate them every time I call DALPA.
These suckers on the MEC never simply return to the line. They don't like to fly. They always whine about what a sacrifice they have made and how hard they work. How many times have I had them get on my airplane to tell me what a great job I have and how great it is to fly the line.
Then, they get their buddies at ALPA to get them a cush, high paying job. Yeah, they really love to fly.
I know that's how it works. But, I don't have to like it.
If he was tired, ill, his personal situation had changed, or he didn't want to do union work, then he should have returned to the line and flown a schedule like the rest of us. Instead, he is dropping trips and selling this expertise to another MEC on billed by the minute basis, plus expenses. Then he has the gall to come on here and tell us that his wife can afford to stay at home and all the money he is making.
LEC Rep is a very hard job and I have all the respect in the world for the people who do it. They step up and take the shots. They don't get a lot of reward. Our office staff at DALPA are really good people. They work very hard. I appreciate them every time I call DALPA.
These suckers on the MEC never simply return to the line. They don't like to fly. They always whine about what a sacrifice they have made and how hard they work. How many times have I had them get on my airplane to tell me what a great job I have and how great it is to fly the line.
Then, they get their buddies at ALPA to get them a cush, high paying job. Yeah, they really love to fly.
I know that's how it works. But, I don't have to like it.
04-12-2013, 10:23 AM
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Reps, never leave the line. They are line pilots and hold schedules just like they did the day before they became a Rep. LEC work is not paid and is 100% volunteer. MEC meetings and items like that that are done under the greater MEC/Admin umbrella structure can be compensated through trip drops.
04-12-2013, 10:41 AM
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Well, it certainly debunks the idea that our DALPA MEC is comprised of citizen volunteers who only wish to do good. He earned his expertise while working for DALPA. This expertise was paid for by our hard earned union dues.
If he was tired, ill, his personal situation had changed, or he didn't want to do union work, then he should have returned to the line and flown a schedule like the rest of us. Instead, he is dropping trips and selling this expertise to another MEC on billed by the minute basis, plus expenses. Then he has the gall to come on here and tell us that his wife can afford to stay at home and all the money he is making.
LEC Rep is a very hard job and I have all the respect in the world for the people who do it. They step up and take the shots. They don't get a lot of reward. Our office staff at DALPA are really good people. They work very hard. I appreciate them every time I call DALPA.
These suckers on the MEC never simply return to the line. They don't like to fly. They always whine about what a sacrifice they have made and how hard they work. How many times have I had them get on my airplane to tell me what a great job I have and how great it is to fly the line.
Then, they get their buddies at ALPA to get them a cush, high paying job. Yeah, they really love to fly.
I know that's how it works. But, I don't have to like it.
If he was tired, ill, his personal situation had changed, or he didn't want to do union work, then he should have returned to the line and flown a schedule like the rest of us. Instead, he is dropping trips and selling this expertise to another MEC on billed by the minute basis, plus expenses. Then he has the gall to come on here and tell us that his wife can afford to stay at home and all the money he is making.
LEC Rep is a very hard job and I have all the respect in the world for the people who do it. They step up and take the shots. They don't get a lot of reward. Our office staff at DALPA are really good people. They work very hard. I appreciate them every time I call DALPA.
These suckers on the MEC never simply return to the line. They don't like to fly. They always whine about what a sacrifice they have made and how hard they work. How many times have I had them get on my airplane to tell me what a great job I have and how great it is to fly the line.
Then, they get their buddies at ALPA to get them a cush, high paying job. Yeah, they really love to fly.
I know that's how it works. But, I don't have to like it.
Seriously? Aren't you happy that we have a Delta pilot / (former) ALPA MEC person that is talented enough to be sought after by other airlines? Or would you rather it be the other way around where your dues money is being used to pay for a consultant from another MEC?
And me being relatively junior, I'm happy that we have pilots financially secure enough to drop lots of trips. If more would be like him/her, we might actually hire some pilots!
04-12-2013, 10:44 AM
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Not to change the subject but I thought you might get a kick out of this:
I just went to DL Net to check on May bid awards, back door'd it of course, and bingo, a whole bunch of Capt. X's show up!!
So I click on my category and sure enough, there's the May Bid Awards...
for 2012!!
I think someone in the G.O. forgot to push the FLUSH 2012 button. Funny that only the Catp. X's were there, no F/O's, for May 2012!
The good news is, I had a good line in 2012, I doubt May 2013 will be as good, most of our ATL trips have gone away, replaced by DH to everywhere to start and end.
I just went to DL Net to check on May bid awards, back door'd it of course, and bingo, a whole bunch of Capt. X's show up!!
So I click on my category and sure enough, there's the May Bid Awards...
for 2012!!
I think someone in the G.O. forgot to push the FLUSH 2012 button. Funny that only the Catp. X's were there, no F/O's, for May 2012!
The good news is, I had a good line in 2012, I doubt May 2013 will be as good, most of our ATL trips have gone away, replaced by DH to everywhere to start and end.
04-12-2013, 11:46 AM
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I guess it's a matter of symantics. Boeing Air Transport was the name I couldn't pull out. William Boeing started "Boeing Air Transport" and bought up a bunch of small mail carriers (Varney being on of them). He rolled them into "BAT" which later became United. I would say that, without BAT there would be no United...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Mail_scandal
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