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johnso29 08-20-2009 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 665709)
O.K. time for a new topic......

Alright. Give me your theory on why RAH is laying off E-Jet instructors, & why Compass is suppossedly hiring 45 FOs by the end of the year. :D

nwaf16dude 08-20-2009 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 665709)
O.K. time for a new topic......

Agreed... As long as it's not the SLI or Hats.

reddog25 08-20-2009 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 665621)
It seems like the intent was to fill the PRIP vacancies with pilots from their respective former airlines. The method of awarding positions to displaced pilots before advancing pilots has been in Delta's contract as long as I've been here, and it's certainly in the contract we now work under.

Difference is that the MOU7 only allows a displaced pilot to displace into a position where a vacanct exist...not into any position where he is senior...hence the violation of seniority. If you can tell me that the DAL system allows that then you are have a point.

reddog25 08-20-2009 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 665555)
Ditto for LA. I leave at least two hours prior to sign in at LAX (I live 45 miles away) and I commute down the night before for early sign ins at SNA. If you have a rush hour sign in at LAX and you live in the burbs, you're essentially commuting from out of town. I have buddies living in SLC that can commute down in the same amount of time it takes me to drive in.

Can't scare me! No snow in LA...........SOC here I come:)

NuGuy 08-20-2009 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 665717)
Agreed... As long as it's not the SLI or Hats.

Bah. They should have let us keep our jackets...

Nu

Boomer 08-20-2009 07:44 PM

Here are a few opinions on LM after the roadshows...


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 662200)
Lee Moak, frankly, should not have the power to say "Delta pilots have given up on scope restoration." But, he probably does have that power, which saddens me.

he's giving away something that is worth a whole lot.


Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven (Post 662197)
This signals the need for a change at the MEC level.............


Originally Posted by Tomcat (Post 662195)
Next saying: "Y'all hold on, this is going to be scary as hell!" Context; What Lee is telling us about his leadership moving forward....


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 662194)
Sounds like he means business. Not the direction this pilot group needs to take.


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 662204)
What is this guy's agenda? It seems quite contradictory to many Delta pilots...espcially ones who post in this forum.


Originally Posted by 944Turbo (Post 662207)
Moak has got to go.


Originally Posted by Tomcat (Post 662218)
Now you have Lee Moak, who is I thought was representing us, giving up on scope, not listening to the pilot group.

this is not giving me a good feeling about the leadership that Lee is providing.


Originally Posted by BigGuns (Post 662219)
I thought Moak was ok.... But after these remarks I think he needs to be recalled... I have no idea how he can be defended!


Originally Posted by INAV8OR (Post 662230)
Well, Bang, boom, ahhh, Ohhh....If what Rough landings is qouting is true, then I say we need LM out of there.

If LM doesn't listen to his pilot group, then he needs to go and take the out dated ALPA with him.


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 662231)
And everytime I ask about it I'm told Moak will not discuss the issue. Doesn't give me warm fuzzies about his direction.

Comair's former MEC Chair had his head way up his ash and scrood over his own pilot group when he wrote that letter regarding furloughed Delta pilots.

Some have said, on this very thread, that all Comair pilots are culpable in that action because they did not immediately throw out their MEC.

For those that would despise all Comair pilots because of that letter, please keep in mind how much control you have over LM at this exact moment in time and determine how your situation is any different than the Comair pilot you loathe.

Just Sayin'...

Boomer 08-20-2009 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by RepublicofTexas (Post 662819)
Funny thing is that if we give the CPS guys numbers, I am sure that many of the other DCI carriers will be stepping over themselves trying to get next in line. It would in effect show a value to being an ALPA member.

Actually, DCI's other ALPA groups (PCL, CMR, Mesaba, ASA) are furloughing heavily while the non-union guys (SKW) and Teamsters (CHQ/SA) are unscathed.

I don't see Delta's regional "plan" driving any pilot group into ALPA's open arms.

Tinpusher007 08-20-2009 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 665744)
Here are a few opinions on LM after the roadshows...


















Comair's former MEC Chair had his head way up his ash and scrood over his own pilot group when he wrote that letter regarding furloughed Delta pilots.

Some have said, on this very thread, that all Comair pilots are culpable in that action because they did not immediately throw out their MEC.

For those that would despise all Comair pilots because of that letter, please keep in mind how much control you have over LM at this exact moment in time and determine how your situation is any different than the Comair pilot you loathe.

Just Sayin'...

An excellent observation, my friend...

Denny Crane 08-20-2009 08:08 PM

This is how I believe the DALS AE/Displacement system works. I could be wrong but.....

Let's look at this last one we just had. Specifcally the LAX7ERA category. There were 94 vacancies available and 109 displacements. I believe that the Advance Entitlement is run before Displacement. So the top 94 pilots who had an AE in for it were "awarded" it on the AE run of the bid. But, and it's a big but, both AE and Displacement bids use the current category list to determine who gets what. The displacement bid does not look at who was awarded the category on AE portion of the bid. So when the displacement is run, for every displaced pilot from LAX767A who opts to MD to LAX7ERA it takes away one of those 94 AE positions that were available. The upshot is that all those 94 positions were taken by 94 of the 109 MD'd pilots and hence there are now no AE positions available. Convoluted? Yes

Again, this is my belief of the way the system works. Gotta go to work now. Just thought some might be interested!:D

Denny

Scoop 08-20-2009 09:40 PM

[quote=Boomer;665744]

Some have said, on this very thread, that all Comair pilots are culpable in that action because they did not immediately throw out their MEC.

I have seen guys raise questions about this issue - I have raised them myself. I have never seen anyone say "All Comair Pilots are culpable on this issue."
I would be interested in reading that.

Could you please cut and paste the quote or give us a post number.

Thanks Scoop


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