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acl65pilot 11-17-2009 09:10 AM

BTW, Super, why did you post your frosted tip picture, I though that was part of the agreement when NWA hired you. No more RJ hairstyles!

acl65pilot 11-17-2009 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 713034)
Super,

Glad to see you finally got the courage up to use your picture as your avatar. :)

It is missing the backpack and earphones!

slowplay 11-17-2009 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 713033)
First, you assume that Arnie will be doing it. No decision has been made as we have no hiring dept for pilots!

As for the rest, your dots look like my dot connecting, and my dots have a few extra dots added in to come to a conclusion.

I like where your dots are leading. I agree that a 7% YOY increase in the summer is not staffing neutral and if we were to try and run this airline without any new pilots, we would be canceling flights due to no crews. There are only so many IA's a reserve pilot can do, there are only so many GS that a line holder can do. All I can say is bid the junior jet and make a ton of coin!

If I had to make a prediction, I see us taking on some added staffing this next year. Well, there I said it. I will not give a number as it might be too accurate! :cool:

Easy big fella...

First, we weren't staffing neutral last summer. We were way overmanned, and that overmanning wasn't in the correct categories. That is in the process of being corrected.
Second, where are the 7% increase numbers coming from? If they came from Steve Dickson's lounge chat, the words are important. Was it an increase over this summer's (2009) pilot block hours, or over the announced reduced 2010 planned block hours? The difference is substantial.
Third, as you've noted previously, the plans change weekly based on the most recent economic data. There will have to be solid indications that the improved yields airlines are seeing in their near term bookings are going to stick before hiring committments are made. Just 2 months ago many here were talking about September furloughs....

Don't drink the koolaid too much, in either direction. There are 11 747-200 that will be parked which were flying last summer. We're parking over 30 DC-9 30/40 by the end of next year, and only have 11 aircraft deliveries over that time, the vast majority backloaded. We do have some capacity in the desert that can be pulled out, but that only requires a 60 day lead time to get the heavy checks done.

I hope we hire. I expect if there aren't changes to this week's current plan we will need to. Unless there are substantial economic changes that carry through to the fall/winter 2010 months I can't see a need for truly substantial hiring.

We are getting 4% of our pay and 1% extra DC back in 6 weeks, though.:D

ExAF 11-17-2009 09:35 AM

Wha?
 

Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 713032)
Guess we know what interests ACL :eek:

Creepy Lizard Sex

Mating...or taking it up the backside?;)

acl65pilot 11-17-2009 09:38 AM

You see those little cool sunglasses there Slow? Yeah I thought so.

Also, per his remarks in is 7% YOY, not over planned 2010 numbers, and that is a huge difference. (It was a number I had heard before, but wanted public confirmation of it. He gave it)
I also agree with your second to last point. I see hiring, not substantial but in the ball park of 1/2 of what DAL-S did last time around. I also see a possible PERP next fall too to avoid seasonal downgrades with substantial hiring in 2011 and beyond. (Read constant not necessarily a 100 a month)

Add the aircraft in the desert and our limited utilization of the fleet we are operating we have substantial ability to pull up our flying without the 90's or other airframes that are close to being orders.

Superpilot92 11-17-2009 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 713034)
Super,

Glad to see you finally got the courage up to use your picture as your avatar. :)

lol, not so much haha


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 713036)
BTW, Super, why did you post your frosted tip picture, I though that was part of the agreement when NWA hired you. No more RJ hairstyles!

sorry couldnt resist as it goes perfect with my screename. (For those that dont know where the name came from, it was what my Chief pilot back in flight school called all new student pilots. Obviously sarcastic since all pilots think they are "superpilots" when they first start out ;) )


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 713037)
It is missing the backpack and earphones!

The backpack must be strapped to the back of my seat and the earphones are plugged into my laptop thats sitting on the glare shield ;)

acl65pilot 11-17-2009 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by ExAF (Post 713047)
Mating...or taking it up the backside?;)

Depends on your perspective. To the one on top it is mating either way......

forgot to bid 11-17-2009 09:46 AM

Who is on top ACL?

johnso29 11-17-2009 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 713043)


Don't drink the koolaid too much, in either direction. There are 11 747-200 that will be parked which were flying last summer. We're parking over 30 DC-9 30/40 by the end of next year, and only have 11 aircraft deliveries over that time, the vast majority backloaded. We do have some capacity in the desert that can be pulled out, but that only requires a 60 day lead time to get the heavy checks done.

I hope we hire. I expect if there aren't changes to this week's current plan we will need to. Unless there are substantial economic changes that carry through to the fall/winter 2010 months I can't see a need for truly substantial hiring.

We are getting 4% of our pay and 1% extra DC back in 6 weeks, though.:D


FWIW, Ed Bastian just last week said the DC9-30/40's will be retired over the next 18 months keeping them flying THROUGH 2010.

Always subject to change of course. ;)

acl65pilot 11-17-2009 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 713043)
Easy big fella...

First, we weren't staffing neutral last summer. We were way overmanned, and that overmanning wasn't in the correct categories. That is in the process of being corrected.

As I hinted at last night we are adding to SLC w/o taking from MSP. That is adding positions, but where will we be subtracting positions? I wonder where they will not backkfill. Domestic is king, and in a year we will need wide body drivers, but I agree that the big jets are overstaffed. 320 Instructors are going to be very busy.

Second, where are the 7% increase numbers coming from? If they came from Steve Dickson's lounge chat, the words are important. Was it an increase over this summer's (2009) pilot block hours, or over the announced reduced 2010 planned block hours? The difference is substantial.
YOY was what was stated, not over original planned. If I recall the 2009 and 2010 summer numbers we very close either way. I will need to dig out that data though

Third, as you've noted previously, the plans change weekly based on the most recent economic data. There will have to be solid indications that the improved yields airlines are seeing in their near term bookings are going to stick before hiring committments are made. Just 2 months ago many here were talking about September furloughs....
I agree, and this is a 180 from where we were going. There is a marked change in the way our leaders are thinking. I have not been able to figure out why, as I personally do not think that they economy is out of the woods yet. I guess that those who have money will travel and those who don't will not.

Don't drink the koolaid too much, in either direction. There are 11 747-200 that will be parked which were flying last summer. We're parking over 30 DC-9 30/40 by the end of next year, and only have 11 aircraft deliveries over that time, the vast majority backloaded. We do have some capacity in the desert that can be pulled out, but that only requires a 60 day lead time to get the heavy checks done.
I hate Koolaid! Really. Just reporting the points with a few omissions on my part

I hope we hire. I expect if there aren't changes to this week's current plan we will need to. Unless there are substantial economic changes that carry through to the fall/winter 2010 months I can't see a need for truly substantial hiring.

We are getting 4% of our pay and 1% extra DC back in 6 weeks, though.:D
As stated in my first post, I agree that we are not looking at crazy hiring. It will be controlled and probably half of the DAL-S numbers from the 07-08 time frame. It could be more but I do not see it unless we PERP guys next fall, get slapped with rest rules we do not see coming, or guys just hang it up at 63 like many have said they would do. Going forward I do beleive that we will need a steady stream of pilots. Noting like the hiring og 1998-2001 or 1987-1990 but enough to keep the school house full. Looking five years out we will need to have a surplus so that we can grow the airline and account for age related attrition.


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