Originally Posted by filejw

Little late for that. Arbitrators have been doing pretty much % for while now.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Pretty much. Sort of. There's still been a lot of other factors considered though. At a minimum that relative wouldn't even start until the equavalent widebody positions were stapled to the top. Then there's pay and retirement expectations to consider. No way is top 2% going to slide over to be top 2% with a narrowbody only airline.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Carl, it's a shame you never even read the contract you complain so much about. The amendable date of the contract was 1 Jan 2013. The raise on that date totaled 12.8 percent on the pay tables.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

You ignore all the good changes on reserve. You are now full at the reserve guarantee, known absences now count toward being full (huge in a vacation or training month) and a 8 percent average raise for the year on top of the 12.8 percent a the amendable date.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

These cost neutral changes as you call them are why your total compensation is going to be up over 120,000 a year since the merger

Originally Posted by sailingfun

and your hourly rate up over 120 per hour including the DC next JAN.

Originally Posted by Ferd149

Well.......where have we seen this before? Where in OUR history have we seen an international widebody airline merge with a smaller narrowbody domestic airline? Oh, wait.......young southies hate northie history, even when it's on point.

You boys may want to pick Carl's brain about how that red/green thing worked. The good news is I doubt we'll get an alcoholic arbitrator who couldn't write......or will we

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Hey man, did you get my response to your post of last month?

Carl

Originally Posted by gloopy

Pretty much. Sort of. There's still been a lot of other factors considered though. At a minimum that relative wouldn't even start until the equavalent widebody positions were stapled to the top. Then there's pay and retirement expectations to consider. No way is top 2% going to slide over to be top 2% with a narrowbody only airline.

Originally Posted by Ferd149

Hummmmm that's about the last time I was on

If it's more that 5 pages back.........let me go find it. But did I tell ya I've been drinking?

Originally Posted by Ferd149

Carl,

What's the answer then?

DPA is dead in a back room somewhere of a self inflected gunshot wound.

Teamsters? YGBSM

Seriously, you know I'm not a big ALPA defender. I just don't see an alternative. Where do you seeing us go from here?

Ferd

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

IMO, the "answer" is the line pilots getting back to basics. Specifically, that means everything good in life requires risk taking and the abandonment of fear. Remember wanting to date that beautiful girl that caught your eye in high school? You put fear of failure aside and asked her (unless your newK then she asked him). Remember all the risk you took in flight school? You abandoned fear, accepted the risk as part of the deal, and ended up flying fighters. Then ended up at a major airline. I could go on, but you get my point. What happened to our ability to take calculated risks? Is it a byproduct of achieving the top level in aviation? We're so afraid of losing the top level that we're manipulated by anyone who uses our life success as a weapon against us?

The biggest issue we face is unique to Delta and that is our fear campaigns are waged by our own union...not management. Management would be glad TO do it, they just don't need to. Until we line pilots can make votes based on what can be achieved as opposed to what might go wrong, our national union will continue achieving their goals...to our everlasting detriment. This will be true with a DPA or any representative entity.

None of us would be where we are without the fearless and selfless actions of those airline pilots that came before us. IMO, we're doing a p!ss poor job of continuing that legacy for the young people who will come after us. I'm very disheartened by that. We can change that. Every one of us has the proven ability to take a calculated risk. We just need to get back to that basic ideal.

Carl

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

IMO, the "answer" is the line pilots getting back to basics. Specifically, that means everything good in life requires risk taking and the abandonment of fear. Remember wanting to date that beautiful girl that caught your eye in high school? You put fear of failure aside and asked her (unless your newK then she asked him. Remember all the risk you took in flight school? You abandoned fear, accepted the risk as part of the deal, and ended up flying fighters. Then ended up at a major airline. I could go on, but you get my point. What happened to our ability to take calculated risks? Is it a byproduct of achieving the top level in aviation? We're so afraid of losing the top level that we're manipulated by anyone who uses our life success as a weapon against us?

The biggest issue we face is unique to Delta and that is our fear campaigns are waged by our own union...not management. Management would be glad TO do it, they just don't need to. Until we line pilots can make votes based on what can be achieved as opposed to what might go wrong, our national union will continue achieving their goals...to our everlasting detriment. This will be true with a DPA or any representative entity.

None of us would be where we are without the fearless and selfless actions of those airline pilots that came before us. IMO, we're doing a p!ss poor job of continuing that legacy for the young people who will come after us. I'm very disheartened by that. We can change that. Every one of us has the proven ability to take a calculated risk. We just need to get back to that basic ideal.

Carl