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ShyGuy 05-30-2013 09:14 PM


no opposed to doing that myself right now. After a week of one of these summer colds that starts off as "ah its just allergies" to full blown cold. Fun stuff. My ears pop sitting still. You go from a runny nose you can't stop to permanent mouth breather... next thing I know I'm going Go Dawgs!

Hate to burn a sick call because your sick but you have to do what you've got to do.

Gotta like guys who don't call in sick when they are sick. "I got allergies.". Funny how I caught those same allergies just 2 days later.

Didn't Delta have a 35+ yr perfect attendance pilot retire? ;)

orvil 05-31-2013 03:43 AM


Originally Posted by Launchpad475 (Post 1418348)


They can paint it. But, it doesn't mean they will come.

chuck416 05-31-2013 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1418866)
Herk,

Was there a G/S trigger back then? I never got a G/S prior to 9-11 but I thought the trigger was put in when G/S pay went down from 200% to 150%. Maybe they just changed what affected the trigger like sick time not counting, which happened for a few years. Anyhow I am sure someone older and wiser will chime in.

Although I do agree with you main point - sometimes there are valid reasons for a white-slip. Some months I would have to drop up to two 4 day trips for MIL and would on occasion try to pick up a two or three day to minimize the hit. For years I was well below the guarantee at DAL but it kind of evened out with the MIL pay.

Scoop

My apologies for asking, but, exactly how does one "see" in DeltaNet how and to who the G/S trips are being handed out? Thanks.

Too Tall 05-31-2013 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 1418917)
My apologies for asking, but, exactly how does one "see" in DeltaNet how and to who the G/S trips are being handed out? Thanks.

Icrew, open time, daily trip coverage.

shiznit 05-31-2013 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by A6danimal (Post 1418730)
I was commuting from CQ today and overheard in the jetway from a union rep just coming from the MEC meeting that it is 107 open spots vs. 100 displacements. "So slightly net positive".


Originally Posted by kiteflyer (Post 1418819)
"slightly net positive"

Describes our NEW! contract very well.


Hiring in 2012......I'll take that now please.


Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1418874)
Well that just can't be. They (and some usual suspects here) said they were done with the "funding" of positions.

Bring on the hiring in '12....

What if the "displacements" are to higher paying seats? Is that still a bad thing?

NERD 05-31-2013 04:25 AM

Very well could be. Displace/recall people displaced to lower seats to squeak through this summer without hiring. Recall on this AE and hire for next spring summer to the lower paying seats. We will see Monday.

QUOTE=shiznit;1418927]What if the "displacements" are to higher paying seats? Is that still a bad thing?[/QUOTE]

sailingfun 05-31-2013 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1418866)
Herk,

Was there a G/S trigger back then? I never got a G/S prior to 9-11 but I thought the trigger was put in when G/S pay went down from 200% to 150%. Maybe they just changed what affected the trigger like sick time not counting, which happened for a few years. Anyhow I am sure someone older and wiser will chime in.

Although I do agree with you main point - sometimes there are valid reasons for a white-slip. Some months I would have to drop up to two 4 day trips for MIL and would on occasion try to pick up a two or three day to minimize the hit. For years I was well below the guarantee at DAL but it kind of evened out with the MIL pay.

Scoop

There was always a GS trigger after it went to double pay sometime before the 86 contract. The original GS was double credit. If you flew a 4 day trip on a GS you had to drop 2 4 day trips as a result. Huge for manning! Sometime before 86 it went to double pay no credit. The trigger was 70 hours at that point. In the 1113 contract it dropped to 1.5 pay no credit and the trigger floated with the cap. The big change to the trigger however was vacation and training did not count toward the trigger so in many months it was impossible to get a GS. When we got the 2X back we also got those changes to the trigger removed and vacation and training now count toward the trigger number. Originally all GS were in seniority order then it was limited to 2 in seniority order. Now its down to 1 GS in seniority order.

sailingfun 05-31-2013 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1418931)
Very well could be. Displace/recall people displaced to lower seats to squeak through this summer without hiring. Recall on this AE and hire for next spring summer to the lower paying seats. We will see Monday.

QUOTE=shiznit;1418927]What if the "displacements" are to higher paying seats? Is that still a bad thing?

[/QUOTE]

They are in a bind. They should have hired the 150 guys they wanted in the first quarter. When virtually all discretionary funding was cut for the first quarter and most for the rest of the year they were not able to hire. The result is they are going to have to do a lot more training then if they just hired a few guys to fund the 717 copilot seats. You saw some of that result in the last bid when they were not able to fill all the positions because it created to much training.
The powers to be decided that making a first quarter profit and a record profit for the year are more important. I know it has to do with wallstreet and interest rates ect.. but I don't know the specifics. As a example of the cuts all winglet installations are also canceled for the remainder of this year.

Bucking Bar 05-31-2013 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1418937)

They are in a bind. They should have hired the 150 guys they wanted in the first quarter. When virtually all discretionary funding was cut for the first quarter and most for the rest of the year they were not able to hire. The result is they are going to have to do a lot more training then if they just hired a few guys to fund the 717 copilot seats. You saw some of that result in the last bid when they were not able to fill all the positions because it created to much training.

It must add to the complexity that many of the pilots returning are relatively senior, post merger, and able to take positions which result in the need to displace pilots to staff junior positions.

So how many are being pushed off 330, 7ER and 737 to staff "new hire" positions? How will they ever get them trained in time?

When our SLI was complete it was observed many pilots on bypass would gain a windfall on their return. DC9 reserve / junior lineholder was now 7ER lineholder with restoration of some longevity. For those caught below, it adds up to another couple of years of downward movement or stagnation.

As usual, the "good deal" is one year away. Wonder if the Company is still doing one year LOA's?

sailingfun 05-31-2013 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1418946)
It must add to the complexity that many of the pilots returning are relatively senior, post merger, and able to take positions which result in the need to displace pilots to staff junior positions.

So how many are being pushed off 330, 7ER and 737 to staff "new hire" positions? How will they ever get them trained in time?

When our SLI was complete it was observed many pilots on bypass would gain a windfall on their return. DC9 reserve / junior lineholder was now 7ER lineholder with restoration of some longevity. For those caught below, it adds up to another couple of years of downward movement or stagnation.

As usual, the "good deal" is one year away. Wonder if the Company is still doing one year LOA's?

I understand the reason the company is now requiring documentation towards the 5 year rule for mil leave is complaints from junior pilots that some mil leave pilots were returning to the line when under the rules should not have a seniority number. Certainly it makes a huge difference to a bottom feeder if the company adds 150 pilots to the middle of the list verses hiring 150 pilots to the bottom of the list. I don't think the company has offered any long term leaves since 2010. The number of pilots taking long term military leave has dropped like a stone with the cutbacks in funding at the reserve/ANG level. In the past when a pilot came back off a 3 year mil leave another pilot often went out on a mil leave so the effect was mitigated. Today guys are coming back with no one going out. In addition during the dark ages of 2001 to 2004 most of the pilots furloughed had about 10 years of active duty. You need 20 to get a full retirement. The math makes it easy to understand why now we have a lot of guys coming back.


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