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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1425403)
Actually.....I wouldn't. I'd get my car fixed and move on with my life. I've better things to do then fester and harp over what could've been. The problem with your analogy is that the system isn't broken. Everything we have is ours because as a group we approved it. Over 60% of our pilot group voted YES for this latest TA. And now it's our contract. Done. Over. We can't change it.
So while I enjoy and encourage sharing thoughts, I don't enjoy reading the same gripes, moans, and complaints about what is done. Choosing to not fly ALV+15 is now gone. The RJ scope has been changed. Over. We can either unite and decide how we want to fix it, or continue to mindlessly whine over something that 62% of our pilot group thought wasn't a bad deal. |
FTB.......you mentalist you, did my wife teach you how to read my mind:D. I love it
Your Uncle Ferd:p |
When did this place become a pet store?
What gives? It's like thumbing through: http://www.catpalaceusa.com/images/c...y-magazine.jpg I mean, I love FTB like a brother from another mother, but my ankles itch when I visit this web site now. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1425567)
Watching his transformation has been painfull. Now he is progressed to half truths....transformation complete.
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1425572)
Your contempt is shameful.
NRT is dying and HND is growing. Our future lies in overflying NRT and accessing HND. If we force the company to maintain the 316 slots they could simply drop the codeshare and we LOSE the protection entirely. If we grant the waiver(which is allowed) we are provided the opportunity to strengthen our current Asia protections, rather then lose them all together. |
I don't have too much of a problem with them taking some of the NRT slots and using them at HND. However, I don't think we should count the overflights, those should be gravy. Think of the lost hub in Frankfort, for example. Point to point from the US comes and goes as markets advance and decline. But, if you have a hub you can use it when markets decline.
Simply stated, don't you wish we had someplace in Europe to funnel people into and then have us fly them onward.......like we do in NRT now? Don't give up NRT just because you think point to point from the US is forever. Signed, An Old Asia Hand |
Originally Posted by Delta1067
(Post 1425485)
What about all of these facts they posted? Can you debunk them as well?
ALPA FACT SHEET 1. Dues structure: 1.95% (1.90% effective 2014). Almost twice as expensive as other independent unions. 2. Takes dues on profit sharing and other bonuses. 3. Refuses to publish online Flight Pay Loss (in dollars paid) for DALPA Reps back to 2010 when required by resolution and ignored. 4. Delta gives over $39,000,000 annually to ALPA National, 34% of its income. Delta Pilots get back only 1/3rd for our use. 5. ALPA’s NET assets fell to $39,000,000 as of 12/31/2012. MCF is at $33,000,000 in uncommitted funds, ½ of the $70M required. 6. ALPA dues ($53,305) were used in 2012 to send American Eagle regional pilots to Six Flags Over Texas and baseball games. 7. ALPA is affiliated with the AFL-CIO. Delta Pilots have not approved this affiliation through a survey. 8. ALPA artificially lowered optional insurance rates below the ALPA negotiated Delta optional rates. Conflict of interest. 9. ALPA negotiated contracts are sloppy, full of loopholes and only enforced when it suits ALPA agendas. (Codeshare, bunks, etc.) 10. ALPA is unable to fully represent either side of a dual ALPA carrier merger. It must remain neutral or be sued. 11. Surveys results are not published, except the Age 60 survey which ALPA then ignored. No accountability. No unity. 12. ALPA refuses to follow survey results in selecting contract goals. Member mandates are ignored. 13. Delta Pilots are not allowed to vote for ALPA President/Officers or MEC Chairmen/Officers. Cronyism is rampant. 14. Conflict of Interest lawsuits are destroying ALPA finances. TWA - $1.7 Billion Damage Trial to conclude soon. 15. AirTran DFR, UAL Furlough Longevity and CAL Military lawsuits also currently in progress against ALPA. Legal fees are enormous. 16. Unity Resolution of 2000 affirms long-standing goal of recruiting independent unions, yet fails to represent current members. 17. Extravagant spending disrespects the membership. $360 per night hotel rooms, $1.5 Million BOD meeting on the beach in FL. 18. Refuses to publish online itemized pay and benefits received by local and national officers/representatives. 19. National officers/employees have a special pension benefit while the membership does not. 20. ALPA leaders often take management positions after union work is finished. Randy Babbitt is now SWA VP of Labor Relations. 21. Dues dollars are used to purchase alcohol at union meetings. 22. ALPA Toolbox is useless against a fellow ALPA carrier or any other carrier ALPA is attempting to recruit. 23. ALPA represents regional carriers. ALPA used the Delta contract to benefit regional members. (35% ALPA new hires, 76 seaters) 24. ALPA is allowing AF/KLM Joint Venture Scope non-compliance through a poorly crafted contract. 25. ALPA cannot stop trading scope for pay because it benefits its regional members. 26. ALPA designated reps are paid 92 hours monthly for position they could hold plus a $1,500/$1,000 stipend. Super seniority. 27. ALPA refuses to show the accounting books or officer names/salaries of offshore subsidiary Kitty Hawk Insurance Co. 28. ALPA National President received 2012 increase in total compensation from $540,408 to $576,968. 29. ALPA is $75M in debt. It is taking out more and more loans to cover legal expenses in multiple conflict of interest lawsuits. 30. ALPA’s first goal is to grow membership and associated dues income. Representing current members is secondary. 31. ALPA has taken in and been responsible for over $3 BILLION in total income since 2000. Has only $39M in NET assets left. 32. Minimum ALPA Designated Rep annual pay: CA Roberts - $283K, CA Van Sickle - $293K, FO Guilfoyle - $247K, FO Fries - $225K, CA Dominguez - $277K, FO Rogers - $247K, FO Olmstead - $225K, FO Coons - $229K – FO Nevins - $193K. 33. Jobs promised in last contract. No hiring for all of 2012 or 2013. 757s to be parked and 737s will replace..…pay cut. 34. ALPA Reps stated that Delta had no more left to give in last contract. Delta gives investors $1 BILLION (dividend and buyback) as a result. ALPA should have listened to the pilots instead of pursuing different agenda. |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1425591)
I don't have too much of a problem with them taking some of the NRT slots and using them at HND. However, I don't think we should count the overflights, those should be gravy. Think of the lost hub in Frankfort, for example. Point to point from the US comes and goes as markets advance and decline. But, if you have a hub you can use it when markets decline.
Simply stated, don't you wish we had someplace in Europe to funnel people into and then have us fly them onward.......like we do in NRT now? Don't give up NRT just because you think point to point from the US is forever. Signed, An Old Asia Hand |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1425591)
I don't have too much of a problem with them taking some of the NRT slots and using them at HND. However, I don't think we should count the overflights, those should be gravy. Think of the lost hub in Frankfort, for example. Point to point from the US comes and goes as markets advance and decline. But, if you have a hub you can use it when markets decline.
Simply stated, don't you wish we had someplace in Europe to funnel people into and then have us fly them onward.......like we do in NRT now? Don't give up NRT just because you think point to point from the US is forever. Signed, An Old Asia Hand I do agree. NRT is not dead by a long shot. It has a lot of O and D as well. It may get down gauged like they have done in the past, but there is money to be made there even if it is not a focus city for our millions of US passengers to connect through Asia. |
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Originally Posted by Free Mason
(Post 1425600)
What are their special assessments? Independents that is.
Its considered income and if you want it changed write a resolution. It would take care of the refund you get every year. BS. Go to the Treasurers Page its on the left side And we use none of that right? No publishing,legal, safety etc? See what the market did these last few years? See what consolidation took place and who is using the MCF? Not DALPA? Why in part 24J No idea about that one. You are labor in a labor union. Think we should be affiliated with the RNC? Notice ALPA is pilot partisan. Issues not political parties. We donate 30% to Republicans fwiw. Huh? only plan(s) DALPA negotiates are the ones covered in the PWA Opine. See APA's, APA's? How about the contracts at B6 and SKW. Oh yeah they don't have em That is not Nationals playground. Its always done at the local council level(mec) Great idea. Publish surveys which say exactly what pilots want so the company can find your weak spots in the next round which worst case is three years away. Brilliant. Oh wait, DPA is doing that Doh! Hear of a resolution or input to your Reps. Representational democracy and all. How do the independents do it? Representational democracy... True. They vote for Reps who vote. You could actually show up to a LEC meeting with 40 of your DPA buddies and get a resolution passed. Better yet recall the reps and then put your guys in. They will change it. Opine. Independents get sued too. Critical mass and representing all pilots works better because all pilot groups can then not undercut each other. Its expensive. No doubt about it. Union hotel, every two years, and its a long term contract. There are 300 or so BOD members representing 53,000 pilots. That works out to $14.15 per member per year. Ever wonder if the Unit 1 or 2 CBA's prohibit it. I have. Ever seen a LM2? ALPA has not been through CH11 and employees are union. Want to break a union? How does that look for street cred for ya? How long ago was he ALPA President? Isnt there a two year non-compete at DALPA? You saying that DPA will be alcohol free? This one baffles me. Go to the hospitality suite have a beer. I have. Huh? Opine Really? 35% We hire over 50% from DCI. Its that whole unity of the profession thing that many get at DALPA I guess. I had no issue with this. Answered already. Not liking language is different than non-compliance Who votes for it? Pinnacle pilots? Oh yeah that's right us. Think its 87 which is the avg pilot credit per month per year. No idea. Think they explained this one in a publication to us. Plus up, and didn't his salary go down, but the reimbursements for business go up? Are they? Can DPA show that math Wrong on all accounts, but getting APA and SWAPA to ALPA would help ALPA members. After all didn't SWAPA prosper with PFT and no pensions. Think ALPA would have promoted that? That's right. Its been flowers and sunny skies the last 12 years. Nothing has happened in our country to our pilots to need to spend any of it. ALPA National has not cut staff by 25% either They get what the Policy Manual allows. Its in black and white for all to see. Yep we did not hire. Sucks, but how do you force a company to hire when you are overstaffed and the pilot group overwhelmingly approved work rule efficiencies? Ever think this is what the pilots said to do in the survey? Made me wonder too. They did and sent it to us for a vote. We voted it in. A stable company is exactly why I'd vote in a new union. |
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