Again, would they be actively promoting LOA if they were getting ready to hire? Doesn't add up. I'm going to go with B. Shrinking more to profitability. In the mean time we are setting ourselves up to get toasted by the new AA and UAL and some others.

Known Leaves of Absence - KLOA for July 2013
Pilots have the opportunity to be awarded a half month or full month of unpaid leave of absence....

Pardon the interruption, but could you guys/gals help me refresh my memory?

If I'm on short call the last day of a block of reserve do I automatically get released at 1200? My first day off is an 'XX' not a '**' day. Thanks!

You meant to say New hire class of 07', correct:D?

TEN

The key to that is the extent of the LOA's being offered. If its just 2 or 4 weeks, and only for a particular month, and only from a tiny handful of categories, and only 2 or 3 pilots max from each, I'd say that's pretty insignficant. No matter how short an airline is, it'll always have the occasional overage here and there especially when you have a lot of seat/base/plane categories like we do.

That said, I think we have to logically default to the negative assumption until proven otherwise. Why drop a suprise early AE like this? The timing of this makes it seem like its a much bigger deal (either way) than we're being steered to believe.

Either that or someone is bonus mongering trying to show some fake transient paper "savings" by defraying the small cost of hiring spool up by another quarter or so and instead shifting that cost (or greater cost) onto the different budget of internal training churn with existing assets. Maybe someone told someone "look when I look under this cup I don't want to see the rock, so make sure the same rock is under the cup right next to it and we're cool."

Unfortunately you're on the hook till end of your SC, not 1200.

I think you are good until the end of the day 2359 with XX and on short call.

TEN

WARNING!!! WARNING!!!
[Pilot trying to figure out what management is going to do.] :D

But, here's a thought...

If you just made a decision to keep 320's and/or buy 321's, and 330's to arrive in short order, and you just had an AE where you displaced a lot of 320 and 330 pilots, why not put out a new AE with the quickness so those guy's & gal's can use their reinstatement rights don't have to go to training?

Disclaimer:

That thought only makes sense if a lot of the displaced pilots, from the last AE, haven't started training yet. :rolleyes:

Oh that's definately one of the possibilities. But then there would be a shortage of pilots in the other categories.

Like I said, this makes sense if we're about to hire, or if we just keep shrinking. It could go either way.

CQ question? I have 3 days of recurrent training next month and with the new contract it is not considered an "absence" against reserve days. Do they just pay you your 11:15 training pay on top of the months reserve guarentee and have you on reserve for the 18 days on call? Thanks in advance for any responses.

Under the old contract that was true (but paid 9:45). Under the new PWA the CQ days will replace an on-call day.

So you will have 15 days of reserve, 3 days of CQ.

Pay is more complicated without knowing the ALV for your cat. but:

Go onto deltanet and download the "PBS gouge" at the bottom of the crew resources and scheduling page.

A DALPA guy created a spreadsheet that you can plug all types of variables into and get your pay, days of work, x-days etc for reserve duty.