I can have a copy on DVD NLT 7/13 if you really want one....

 

That's not the question '80. The question is, what language changed in the Delta Pilots Working Agreement as a result of the Delta Management/Pinnacle Agreement? As I said, I don't like the precedent set with the Company negotiating with a separate pilots union.

How does their scope conflict with ours? How does it subvert (synonyms: overthrow, overturn, demolish, undermine) our scope? We either enforce our scope clause or we don't. That's another discussion.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want them flying large RJ's but what specifically violates our contract?

Denny

 

Jumbo RJs? Is the 4-holer Avro making a return?

 

Seems it wasn't changed per se but when it comes down to the next contract there is now another airline that has a guaranteed amount of flying from Delta that is "theirs". Which sucks when trying to reel scope back in.

 

RJ = 50 seater
Jumbo RJ = 51+ seater
Super Premium Jumbo RJ = 76 seater
Widebody JR = Avro (the jet with 4 APUs)

 

This. DL mgmt now has a contract guaranteeing another pilot group DL flying...which was negotiated completely without consulting DALPA.

 

Carl,

I certainly won't deny that a separate agreement between the Pinnacle pilots and Delta Management was made with out the inclusion of DALPA. IMO this is a precedent that, at some point, could come and bite us in the arse.

Yes, our current section 1 has the flow thru for the Compass and Mesaba pilots. It also states this:

11. The Company will fill a minimum of 35% of the aggregate of all positions in Delta pilot new-hire classes in each trailing twelve-month period (to the extent airmen are available) with ALPA-represented airmen at Delta Connection Carriers, subject to such airmen meeting the Company’s competitive hiring standards, and subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots. Airmen who flow up pursuant to LOA #9 and LOA #10 count toward satisfaction of such minimum percentage.

Looks to me like this could include Pinnacle pilots. Management does the hiring. If they want to enter into a separate agreement with another pilot group to give preferential interviews to that pilot group, it doesn't look like there is much we can do. Again, I don't like the precedent of negotiating with another pilot group without DALPA present but it's over and done now.

I'm pretty sure not one single word can be added to the Delta Pilots Working Agreement without being negotiated between DALPA and Delta Management. It boils down to: what was changed in the Delta Pilot Working Agreement as a result of this Pinnacle/Delta Management Agreement? Some one is going to have to show me.

Have fun flying! I always try too!!

Denny

 

Is it Delta flying or is it Pinnacle flying? If it's Delta flying that is being done by another company in violation of our Section 1, then we'd better grieve it immediately.

If the Pinnacle pilot group negotiated a percentage of the RJ flying already allowed by our Section 1, then it is not necessarily Delta flying.....and they are just trying to guarantee some job security for which I don't blame them.

I don't necessarily like it but I don't see anything that is not contractually allowed going on.

Denny

 

They say when evaluating someone's character observe how they treat others. With regard to this last contract, too many Delta pilots truly believed they were the chosen ones to fly for Delta, management would never want somene else (wear your hats). Of course Delta has been whipsawing the regionals for ages, why anyone would think we are immune is beyond me. Welcome to Sky Team, this ship already sank.

 

You're misunderstanding the issue. Another ALPA pilot group has successfully negotiated for and gotten DL flying contractually guaranteed without any DALPA input..