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Old 06-13-2013 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8

If we had G&LP, and it cost as much to provide flight crews for a 747 as for a 767, the pilot side of the equation would favor a 747 over two 767's. FA's are rougly constant (1 FA for any 50 seats). Ground employees, like pilots, could be cut.

Bottom line: G&LP gives a discount per seat for larger airplanes. For a short period, you might see a boost in aggregate pay, then the natural evolution should be to larger aircraft, with less pilots.
It seems as if you assume that pilot costs are the predominant driving factor behind their choice of airframes. I highly doubt that it is much of a real consideration. In aggregate, maybe being that there are 11,000 or so of us, but as to whether they would do away with 767s in favor of a single 747 because of the slight improvement in employee costs doesn't hold water. Frequency is still a very real driving factor for marketing. One 747 a day to LHR instead of 4 or 5 767s would kill us.

And "G&LP" is not funny.

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Old 06-13-2013 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TCMC17RES
FWIW I'm in the training center and was told it is being expressed as "official" that interviewing will start in the fall for classes in early 2014 at 30 per month for the foreseeable future.

Impossible. That's a positive rumor, and therefore clearly a BS campaign. Unless the rumor is negative in nature, there is no way it can become true.
Old 06-13-2013 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by finis72
Had El Jeffe on my flight the other day and these are my interpretations of what he said: He really likes the 330 for what DL wants the immediate RFP for and the 777-300ER will probably be the eventual replacement for the 747. Boeing was in ATL a couple of weeks ago and put on quite an impressive dog and pony show. Airbus was there last week, haven't heard how that went yet. Carl would be able to add to this but I think 2017 is when the 747's start leaving.

I believe the leases are up in 2018, so 2017 seems plausible.
Old 06-13-2013 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Impossible. That's a positive rumor, and therefore clearly a BS campaign. Unless the rumor is negative in nature, there is no way it can become true.
I agree that is the plan and it has been repeated over and over again, but there's no need to be so snarky about being optimistic all the time like you've been doing. All it does is polarize and hurt your credibility.
Old 06-13-2013 | 11:34 AM
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How would you rate his credibility? Doesn't strike me as better or worse than the average poster.
Old 06-13-2013 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And what trend vector gives you the remotest of thoughts that this is a possibility? 737-900s < 757s 717s < M88s How is that hopey thingy working?
Correct on the 739s mostly, but the 717s are primarily going to be replacing the 50 seat lift as they are parked... the current trend vector now is the A319 doing that flying, actually.

Thanks to me getting my payback days pulled from me, I'll likely be spending father's day with 32 hrs in Charleston, WV!

When I flew for NW airlink, CRW didn't even get jet service... Saab 340 only. Pretty major upgauging...
Old 06-13-2013 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I agree that is the plan and it has been repeated over and over again, but there's no need to be so snarky about being optimistic all the time like you've been doing. All it does is polarize and hurt your credibility.

Really? I get lambasted everyday for my optimism. One particular individual just labeled my optimism as a "BS campaign" that came "crashing into numbers". So excuse me for deflecting the constant barrage of negativity with a little snarky attitude now and then.

BTW, are you sure you of all people should be labeling others as snarky?
Old 06-13-2013 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Really? I get lambasted everyday for my optimism. One particular individual just labeled my optimism as a "BS campaign" that came "crashing into numbers". So excuse me for deflecting the constant barrage of negativity with a little snarky attitude now and then.
You're not just now being snarky, all of your posts have had that overtone for a good while.
Old 06-13-2013 | 11:39 AM
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On second thought, he writes legibly, and often makes sense. I don't think he's more snarky in his optimistic outlook, than people are snarky in their negative outlook.
Old 06-13-2013 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Correct on the 739s mostly, but the 717s are primarily going to be replacing the 50 seat lift as they are parked... the current trend vector now is the A319 doing that flying, actually.
Fair enough, and you are correct. (So you changed your mind about getting rid of the 50s????? Now it is a good thing maybe???) But I will be absolutely speechless if the company ordered more than 10 WBs. 30 to 40 (without parking something bigger) and I would need CPR.
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