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T,

I was definitely wrong with G&LP, but that doesn't mean I can't try for something better.

How does TP sound?

 

It doesn't count when you hold 7ER out of seniority.

 

Not sure if anybody has responded to this but we get 10% up to 2.5 billion and then 20% on anything over 2.5 billion. I can darn near guarantee that!! We gave up that 5% in the last contract negotiations.

Profit sharing does double on the part that goes over 2.5 billion, not on the part below........

Call the union if you don't believe me....

Denny

 

I think you are right Columbia. Look at Lufthansa, they have Longevity Pay. The JUNIOR guys have to fly the 747 around the world on 14 day trips, while the SENIOR guys fly the 737 on shuttle type trips, in and out of Berlin. They show up at 8am, fly a few out and backs, go home every night, never even pack a suitcase.

For many years in the past the "Senior Trip" at DL was on the L10-11, it was the San Juan Turn. About 8hrs. out and back. You worked 10 days a month for 80 hours, slept in your own bed every night. I have several friends senior to me who are still flying the 767 Domestic just to fly those type trips. They want no part of ULR flying.

For many years, at Western Airlines, some of their most senior trips were on the 737, out and backs from SLC to all over Montana and Wyoming.

As I've said here many times, if we ever do go to a true Longevity Based Pay, I'll be off the 777 in a NY minute, and on to what ever goes to the Caribbean for 24 hour layovers on the beach!

I HATE ULR flying, but with our system, it pays the most, so I do it. But it is terribly boring. And we don't have much variety in where we go, (5 destinations, that's it) and oh yeah, we rarely even get a landing.

I'm one of those weirdo pilots who actually enjoy hand flying airplanes. I have to go beg my buds to let me fly their light airplanes on my off days, just to... satisfy my urges! I was out on my catamaran chasing a guy in a Quicksilver on floats this morning, looking for a ride! He said "next time" as he was about out of gas.

 

Man I hope you're kidding...

I am so sick of hearing this BS. Explain to me what "out of seniority" means with regards to being on the ER? If there are positions open, and no body else wants them, then junior guys get them. That does not constitute out of seniority.

 

He was kidding, it's been a running joke around here. There is no such thing as 'out of seniority', if you want it, bid it, you never know what might happen. Some guys get torqued because they didn't to bid it, because:

"I didn't think I could hold it..."

 

Best trip ever, BOS/YUL turns twice a day on 767-300..... and then they discovered it could go far, far away...... sigh....

 

So, why were requests for the 4th of July off not awarded when there are surplus reserves on that day and no off day grouping requirements were violated?

 

Appreciate the love Ten. Maybe I do drink too much but I can assure you it's not Koolaid. I am a very positive person and a very realistic person. I understand basic economics and I'm a student of the US airline business (not the air cargo or foreign air line business). I also don't really care about today but think in longer terms, like 2 or 3 years down the road. That is why I'm so optimistic about the future for DL pilots, not what's happening today but what is going to start unfolding as we head into 2014. Our management team really wants 10bil in debt and a super strong year to get DL on the S&P 500 and have put off a lot of expenses to get us there (wonder why the board put off hiring-duh). There are growth airplanes that are going to start showing up in 2015, AA/US will route rationalize sometime in 2014 creating limited growth opportunities. Fuel will continue to trend downward and when do we exchange openers ?
If we push hard on the next contract my opinion is we will be in a much better position to bargain then we were on the last despite what some say.