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Old 06-12-2013 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by NwaBusDriver
Is DAL really operating numerous unprofitable flights just to capture $21,000 a month in code share revenue?
That's a fair question. And the answer might be to go even deeper into the violation. As there are no liquidated damages associated with contract violations... an arbitor decides that... what would they have to lose at that point. As someone else pointed out, we are talking about a very small amount of money here.

Look I am not saying that what is going on here is right. It definitely is not. I just see a bunch of guys that are ready with pitchforks and torches, and there is much to be determined as to the value of this transgression. Like most violations that occurred on the south side prior to the merger, this will more than likely be taken care of before the need for everybody to lawyer up.

I'll bow out of this one and watch the show from the sidelines.
Old 06-12-2013 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
So it's your contention that DALPA has produced only improvements, and given nothing away?

I think we're done here.
Where in his post did he say that?
Old 06-12-2013 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
If our pay was cut 25% tomorrow he would say you guys better shut up or it could be 50%.
Nice hyperbole. Of course you get a hangnail and it's DALPA's fault and you wanna burn down the house.
Old 06-12-2013 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
There's much more to this story than we're being told. This latest violation of our scope is very important to the company for some reason.

Carl
So let's launch the alert B52s.....
Old 06-12-2013 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
It wasn't meant to be disrespectul, and I agree that we have all contributed (or unfortunately, also at times regressed) collectively. Many guys forget that our C2K rates were piggy-backed on UAL's C2K rates...which were themselves derived from what they called the "Delta Dot" which was a line drawn from the DAL 737-800 rates up to the 777 rates...and our 737-800 rates ($190/hr back in 1997 or 98) were themselves piggybacked on AA pilots getting $186/hr for it prior to that!
No worries, Herk. I know where you are coming from. I just had to defend my peeps.
Old 06-12-2013 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by badflaps
Age 70 rule: First order of the day, change uniforms to baggy jumpsuits and soft, squishy shoes.. Oh, and big wrap-around sunglasses. Clever saying ball caps optional... i.e. my grandson flies for GO-JET.

SWA will replace their 3-2-1 Hotel deal with "Early Bird" Dinner specials Starting at 1600.

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Old 06-12-2013 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
That's a fair question. And the answer might be to go even deeper into the violation. As there are no liquidated damages associated with contract violations... an arbitor decides that... what would they have to lose at that point. As someone else pointed out, we are talking about a very small amount of money here.

Look I am not saying that what is going on here is right. It definitely is not. I just see a bunch of guys that are ready with pitchforks and torches, and there is much to be determined as to the value of this transgression. Like most violations that occurred on the south side prior to the merger, this will more than likely be taken care of before the need for everybody to lawyer up.

I'll bow out of this one and watch the show from the sidelines.
Do you, or anyone else, really, truly believe that what I bolded is true?


PS: T, I'm glad you took Purple off your ignore, it makes for better reading.
Old 06-12-2013 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Again, call your rep and talk to him about this. There is potentially more job losses at stake if we do not give relief.
I'm getting really tired of DALPA using fear to justify their actions.
They always seem to be telling us we have to vote for their concessionary deals because we should be very afraid what management or the govt or the judge or whoever might do to us if we don't capitulate and go along with the program.

The company is solidly profitable yet we are still working for essentially the bankruptcy contract plus some COLA.
And to get that little 4,8,3,3 COLA we had to give huge productivity concessions.

Isn't it about time to get up off our knees?

Why does DALPA continue to do business in an entirely reactionary, defensive manner? We have some bargaining power here. Why not stand up? Is it intentional? Is it Moak?

Old 06-12-2013 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Brocc15
Do we do an ESV for Normal requal? The 88 letter is confusing. It says we do a systems validation, but it is not anywhere on my training schedule
Don't know of you have figured it out yet, but I just completed 88 normal re-qual and you do not have to do an ESV. I was also confused with the letter and called the training manager to confirm.
Old 06-12-2013 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Do you, or anyone else, really, truly believe that what I bolded is true?


PS: T, I'm glad you took Purple off your ignore, it makes for better reading.
I honestly do not know how much money is involved. Someone ran some napkin math and it seems pretty viable and insignificant to me... I don't know enough about all this really other than what my rep told me. All I am saying is to wind a watch and let's see what we have here before going all ballistic.

I actually haven't taken either him or Carl off ignore, but sometimes there is a little bird that says.... read it. Sometimes he is interesting, but Carl is... well.... not.
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