DALAD,

It was unprecedented in the 90s but that precedent had been set just after 9-11. I was hired in early 2000 and know 5 people from my time-frame who quit DAL for other opportunities - actually 6 who left but 1 returned:

3 left to fly corporate.

2 left for FDX and one since quit FDX to return to DAL for personal reasons.

1 left to go to JetBlu.

The days of DAL being the "Dream career" are gone. For those who have been in CAPT seats during the current stagnation it is probably not too bad, but for the current 15 year, possibly looking at 20 year FO - not so much.

It is still a good job but but it will never be the same. How many post 9-11 hires have Cessnas or Pipers compared to DAL Pilots in the 1980s or 1990s? It seems many DAL Pilots spend more time working on their part time jobs or "Plan B" than with their "toys."

DAL today is not the DAL of old.

Scoop

Hmm I am pretty sure it is still a dream career to the people still duking it out at multiple stagnant regionals. We can all dream of being in your position someday...

06-18-2013 | 06:56 AM

#133013

TeddyKGB

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Originally Posted by boog123

When does scheduling usually assign short calls, in the morning or a little before 3? It's been a while.

Lately on the 7ER in NYC they haven't been assigning them until the last minute. It's been after 2pm the last few days. Would be nice to get more of a heads up for the guys getting SCs.

06-18-2013 | 06:58 AM

#133014

TeddyKGB

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Originally Posted by buzzpat

I'd call all of those, at best, toss ups. FEDEX, sure. SWA, maybe. UAL, no.

Depends on where you live. As a 2010 new hire, they at best have 250 pilots under them on the list. If I lived in ORD, DEN, IAH or MIA I could justify jumping off the DAL ship and going to UAL.

06-18-2013 | 07:05 AM

#133015

shiznit

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Originally Posted by Delta1067

Depends on where you live. As a 2010 new hire, they at best have 250 pilots under them on the list. If I lived in ORD, DEN, IAH or MIA I could justify jumping off the DAL ship and going to UAL.

Agreed... And how many at other airlines live near ATL, NYC, SEA, LAX, DTW, and SLC that would still be willing to make the switch to DAL if given the opporttunity?

06-18-2013 | 07:12 AM

#133016

DAWGS

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Originally Posted by shiznit

Yeah you're right, "unconflicted" IPA and APA did so well for their furloughs. The massive increase at DCI was mostly to non-ALPA pilot groups, that didn't "help" ALPA or any of us in the last decade.

Nobody saved the company from BK, and no union could save a company from BK... If I'm wrong please show me a good example.

Poor management leads to bankruptcy, keep your blame in the right place.

Neither independent unions mentioned facilitated outsourcing like DALPA. We are trailblazers in that dept. We also had a nice PRP program just to twist the knife. You are wrong about non-DCI during the time-frame. I am speaking of 01-06...Com-air and ASA were both wholly owned ALPA groups and doubled their size respectively. Direct job replacements under one parent company. It was not a loss for ALPA at all, which takes us back to the original point made by Bar, is ALPA has allowed MGT to divide us and I see no way for ALPA to remedy it when they still benefit either way.

As far as BK, good MGT is needed sure but bad MGT was facilitated by ALPA rather than sticking to the contract. Rinse and repeat, same today regarding NRT slots. I expect better from the organization that represents my group.

06-18-2013 | 07:15 AM

#133017

contrails

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Originally Posted by junglebus

i'm saving this gem for 2015.

+100000000

06-18-2013 | 07:26 AM

#133018

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Originally Posted by firstmob

UAL orders 787-10's and we continue to lag in WR aircraft!

Tsk, Tsk, the network has plenty of WB's and WB's on order.

06-18-2013 | 07:35 AM

#133019

gloopy

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Originally Posted by tsquare

Has DALPA ever gone for the jugular? APA shows up with a stapler in hand. SWAPA has management in their back pocket. (that cooperation thingy that some here are so convinced won't work)

Yeah I suppose. But the harsh realities of even the remotest chance of a relative with such a young, rapid advancement airline like that would slap a lot of guys into reality hard. The membership would have to stand up to national leadership that could be in the mood for a generous giveaway just to prime the pump for 2600 future members that would be 2600 future members regardless.