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Old 06-25-2013 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Dang Carl! I think hell just froze over. You and I agree on something!!!!
Law of averages man. It had to happen sometime.

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Old 06-25-2013 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
Johnso, better scope protection? We are talking about enforcing the scope we have! We could have the best scope section in the world, but if we (ALPA) bend the rules every time the company comes asking, it's worthless.
Preeeeee-cisely.

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Old 06-25-2013 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Some good dots in the news surrouding the Virgin Delta announcement.
[*]For Virgin to be profitable by 2015 significant structural changes will need to be implemented.
Could be just "structuring" them into a JV that favors them with a massive 3 year disparity unbalance period and a "what are you gonna do, grieve it?" snap shot remedy period after both sides pull down to synnergize and our "cure period" is based off the 3 year low. Can we get a what what?


[*]Look who's new on the Virgin BOD.
Who? And what is his/her track record of being pro DL pilot in JV alliances?

[*]Amonge the newly announced codeshare routes there's some important stuff conspicuously absent...
Such as...

[*]Virgin not joining SkyTeam near-term as the Virgin CEO recently said will also significantly affect the current Transatlantic JV...
How is this good for us?
Old 06-25-2013 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And your problem with that would be what? That there would be more guys making as much or more than you? How arrogant. I could even make the case for a DOH merger because equipment wouldn't make one iota of difference. Or are you afraid that an Alaska pilot would want to commute halfway across the country to take your seat when he could continue to drive to work and make the same money and be home every night? Shiny jet syndrome. You are at the top and anything that threatens the appearance of that scares you to death.





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Old 06-25-2013 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Some good dots in the news surrouding the Virgin Delta announcement.
  • For Virgin to be profitable by 2015 significant structural changes will need to be implemented.
  • Look who's new on the Virgin BOD.
  • Amonge the newly announced codeshare routes there's some important stuff conspicuously absent...
  • Virgin not joining SkyTeam near-term as the Virgin CEO recently said will also significantly affect the current Transatlantic JV...
Cheers
George
And just how is that good for us? If the JV is built with less transAtlantic flying on their part PRIOR to the JV language being drawn up, that translates to less flying for us in the event of a AF/KLM-like JV deal. You should be hoping that the DAL/VA deal happens tomorrow, BEFORE their flying gets pulled down. And as to bullet point 4, there is no JV at this time, only a codeshare,unless you are referring to the AF/KLM JV...
Old 06-25-2013 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Could be just "structuring" them into a JV that favors them with a massive 3 year disparity unbalance period and a "what are you gonna do, grieve it?" snap shot remedy period after both sides pull down to synnergize and our "cure period" is based off the 3 year low. Can we get a what what?
The contract will have to be opened Einstein. There is no language currently that adressess a JV with VA. Therefore nothing to grieve at this point. That language will have to be created. That requires opening the contract. Leverage.
Old 06-25-2013 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ITSALLGOOD
Network source says 90% chance it is 10ish 330s and 30ish 321. Says Boeing could still make a last minute proposal which might change things.
If this happens we need to see a change in the rates. Time to pay for seats. 320 = 7NG. 321/900 = 757.

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Old 06-25-2013 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Going2Baja
If this happens we need to see a change in the rates. Time to pay for seats. 320 = 7NG. 321/900 = 757.

Baja.
Totally agreed there. The 333 carries more pax than the 777 and is way bigger than the 764, too... not a bad idea to match that up while we're at it.
Old 06-25-2013 | 08:28 PM
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I am 100 percent against longevity base pay. The guys that want this are at the top of the pay scale, but not on the highest paying plane. We should not even have longevity factored into our pay. It ties us to our specific airline thus reducing leverage. A new hire 717 first officer should make the same as a 12 year 717 first officer. They do the exact same job. We are the only industry where you cannot take your skills to another company for the same price. We should be trying to eliminate our entire scale other than the 12 year scale.
Old 06-25-2013 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And just how is that good for us? If the JV is built with less transAtlantic flying on their part PRIOR to the JV language being drawn up, that translates to less flying for us in the event of a AF/KLM-like JV deal. You should be hoping that the DAL/VA deal happens tomorrow, BEFORE their flying gets pulled down. And as to bullet point 4, there is no JV at this time, only a codeshare,unless you are referring to the AF/KLM JV...
If Virgin joins the Transatlantic JV, the EASK shares get renegotiated and we wait out another compliance period before we measure and a year after that before the company must cure.

If VA doesn't get lumped in with the existing Transatlantic JV, 1.E.8 becomes very interesting. 75% of the flying of Delta's revenue share would flip the balance of flying between DAL and VA in favor of DAL. Measured every Quarter with a 12-month lookback.

Which would you rather see?

Cheers
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P.S. Hauenstein is now on the Virgin BOD. Also the 2nd largest US destination from LHR is not currently in the codeshare list. I would imagine a forthcoming slot will come as part of some near term negotiations with other players...
Oh and t, your wish is coming true, Virgin is adding capacity in MCO making it all 744 service...

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