Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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In my opinion this is a very classless post, unworthy of a Delta Captain (I am assuming you are). Just wanted to let you know, t.
In general, “Don’t like it here – leave” is very toxic and unconstructive attitude. Only a very weak person can say that to a coworker, even anonymously, regardless of the industry.
I think we all should stay here, grow some manhood and make Delta a better place to work.
In general, “Don’t like it here – leave” is very toxic and unconstructive attitude. Only a very weak person can say that to a coworker, even anonymously, regardless of the industry.
I think we all should stay here, grow some manhood and make Delta a better place to work.
Once you go past flaps 20, boards up, you'll get the warning, just like the 75/76. They feel a lot like on the 757, the first half of the handle pull will give you a small amount of rumble, but then the second half (full up) will give you quite a bit of bounce, most of us rarely use full boards, you'd have to be really high and hot or getting slam dunked to need them.
But... just like in the 757, the 777 is a bit of a Kite and doesn't like to come down too quickly, even with the gear out. I can honestly say, I've only seen guys get behind by being too high/hot on the path, never too low/slow.
On the automatic retraction, I don't think (never tested it) they will stow when the power comes fully up, only because many, many times I've had to say, "You've still got the boards out..." once stabilized after a slam dunk, but I usually say it as soon as the thrust levers start moving up and it's obvious he's forgotten. So they may stow, if the thrust levers come far enough fwd.
This all usually happens about the maker, usually when you're throwing the gear out, more flaps, spinning the speed back, arming the APP button, etc. switching over to tower, and they throw a runway change at you too...and some guys will go heads down to try to load it in the box.
I gave up taking close in runway changes a long time ago. We still get paid by the minute, I'll roll to the end, thank you, and take my time taxiing back...unless I have a commute home to catch of course, then it's the ol' SWA Game ON! (can we get opposite direction to the inboard?)
But... just like in the 757, the 777 is a bit of a Kite and doesn't like to come down too quickly, even with the gear out. I can honestly say, I've only seen guys get behind by being too high/hot on the path, never too low/slow.
On the automatic retraction, I don't think (never tested it) they will stow when the power comes fully up, only because many, many times I've had to say, "You've still got the boards out..." once stabilized after a slam dunk, but I usually say it as soon as the thrust levers start moving up and it's obvious he's forgotten. So they may stow, if the thrust levers come far enough fwd.
This all usually happens about the maker, usually when you're throwing the gear out, more flaps, spinning the speed back, arming the APP button, etc. switching over to tower, and they throw a runway change at you too...and some guys will go heads down to try to load it in the box.
I gave up taking close in runway changes a long time ago. We still get paid by the minute, I'll roll to the end, thank you, and take my time taxiing back...unless I have a commute home to catch of course, then it's the ol' SWA Game ON! (can we get opposite direction to the inboard?)
Carl
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We did the air sample gag one time, best part was when she brought up the bag full of the "sample cabin air", we convinced her that it wasn't a "big enough' sample. She then REALLY RAN down the aisle with this bag over her head, getting the new sample. I'm starting to laugh about it right now. Those were fun days.
In my opinion this is a very classless post, unworthy of a Delta Captain (I am assuming you are). Just wanted to let you know, t.
In general, “Don’t like it here – leave” is very toxic and unconstructive attitude. Only a very weak person can say that to a coworker, even anonymously, regardless of the industry.
I think we all should stay here, grow some manhood and make Delta a better place to work.
In general, “Don’t like it here – leave” is very toxic and unconstructive attitude. Only a very weak person can say that to a coworker, even anonymously, regardless of the industry.
I think we all should stay here, grow some manhood and make Delta a better place to work.
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We did the air sample gag one time, best part was when she brought up the bag full of the "sample cabin air", we convinced her that it wasn't a "big enough' sample. She then REALLY RAN down the aisle with this bag over her head, getting the new sample. I'm starting to laugh about it right now. Those were fun days.
I said, "Really? Wow, it's perfectly smooth up here. Hmm, why don't you walk up here and see where it gets smooth, get the row number so I can write it up for maintenance."
I figured she'd know I was being a smart *** and let it go, but nope, about 2 minutes later we get a knock on the door, she comes in and says, "It smoothed out about row 15." and she was dead serious!
I said, "Really? OK, hand me the log book..." as the F/O was busting a gut.
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Sure it was a harsh assessment, but it needs to be harsh. The APA conducted a clown show for 6+ years and only changed when their contract was rejected, they were hours away from a federal injunction that could have bankrupted the union, and their bankruptcy claim was flying out the window for good. How much closer to disaster did they have to come to change their path?
US Airways and USAPA have conducted their clown show for 7+ years now and their only hope of redemption is latching on to the APA that in turn latched onto the Delta/United contracts. They have failed in every objective they set and they have not delivered a penny of benefits to their pilots.
Following a deal like we signed last year, you always have the charlatans come crawling out from under their rocks proclaiming "Vote for me, I will give you everything you want." They have no plan, they have no work ethic, they only know how to craft a simple seductive message that all your dreams will be fulfilled if you simply follow their siren song.
The DPA lawyer is a master at this type of propaganda and deception. He ruined the mechanics union at Northwest and got kicked out of there. He led the Flight Attendants union at Northwest to near ruin and got kicked out of there. He led the US Airways pilots on a wild goose chase and took $10 million from them and finally got kicked out of there. Compare his list of former clients to current clients and you will see a guy that has basically been fired from just about every labor job he had. He got rich and they just got poorer and poorer. Now he has found a new set of chumps in the DPA that believe his crap because they want to believe his crap. Who wouldn't want to hear that all your troubles will simply disappear with a simple fix? That's is why you see all those ads for miracle diet pills on TV. Some people don't want to work out more and eat less, they would rather just take a pill and have their troubles disappear.
So if I make a harsh assessment then it's because my time in this profession has a limited life span. The time that should have been the heart of my career was spent in the bankruptcy era. Poor me. But rather than feel sorry for myself I actually tried to work to help pull the pilots out of this pit and back closer to where we need to be. Unlike the Carl's of this world who lack the courage to actually take real responsibility for anything I had to deliver the hard message that there are no easy solutions there is only work and work and more work and that improvements are cumulative and not immediate. That got us 50+% above bankruptcy rates within years of exiting.
So yes I make a harsh assessment. If I have to suffer through the APA/USAPA clown show for years and years I will sacrifice hundreds of thousands of dollars that I will never recover. So will thousands of other Delta pilots. If I want to take that seductive easy message and kick it in the teeth it's only because I have seen the serial failures and urge people to resist the siren song and continue to follow the path that has led to success.
You say I am on a high horse and I say prove my assessment wrong. Show me how the APA/USAPA clown show is leading the industry out the bankruptcy era and I will agree with you and change my stance. So far I have seen nothing but BS and bluster from the DPA crowd and their charlatan lawyer. Their ideas need to be countered. I really don't feel like sitting around for the next 6 to 8 years watching my dues money pay for the DPA lawyers boat while I wallow in the muck. That is their record and it should be exposed for what it is. Hucksterism.
US Airways and USAPA have conducted their clown show for 7+ years now and their only hope of redemption is latching on to the APA that in turn latched onto the Delta/United contracts. They have failed in every objective they set and they have not delivered a penny of benefits to their pilots.
Following a deal like we signed last year, you always have the charlatans come crawling out from under their rocks proclaiming "Vote for me, I will give you everything you want." They have no plan, they have no work ethic, they only know how to craft a simple seductive message that all your dreams will be fulfilled if you simply follow their siren song.
The DPA lawyer is a master at this type of propaganda and deception. He ruined the mechanics union at Northwest and got kicked out of there. He led the Flight Attendants union at Northwest to near ruin and got kicked out of there. He led the US Airways pilots on a wild goose chase and took $10 million from them and finally got kicked out of there. Compare his list of former clients to current clients and you will see a guy that has basically been fired from just about every labor job he had. He got rich and they just got poorer and poorer. Now he has found a new set of chumps in the DPA that believe his crap because they want to believe his crap. Who wouldn't want to hear that all your troubles will simply disappear with a simple fix? That's is why you see all those ads for miracle diet pills on TV. Some people don't want to work out more and eat less, they would rather just take a pill and have their troubles disappear.
So if I make a harsh assessment then it's because my time in this profession has a limited life span. The time that should have been the heart of my career was spent in the bankruptcy era. Poor me. But rather than feel sorry for myself I actually tried to work to help pull the pilots out of this pit and back closer to where we need to be. Unlike the Carl's of this world who lack the courage to actually take real responsibility for anything I had to deliver the hard message that there are no easy solutions there is only work and work and more work and that improvements are cumulative and not immediate. That got us 50+% above bankruptcy rates within years of exiting.
So yes I make a harsh assessment. If I have to suffer through the APA/USAPA clown show for years and years I will sacrifice hundreds of thousands of dollars that I will never recover. So will thousands of other Delta pilots. If I want to take that seductive easy message and kick it in the teeth it's only because I have seen the serial failures and urge people to resist the siren song and continue to follow the path that has led to success.
You say I am on a high horse and I say prove my assessment wrong. Show me how the APA/USAPA clown show is leading the industry out the bankruptcy era and I will agree with you and change my stance. So far I have seen nothing but BS and bluster from the DPA crowd and their charlatan lawyer. Their ideas need to be countered. I really don't feel like sitting around for the next 6 to 8 years watching my dues money pay for the DPA lawyers boat while I wallow in the muck. That is their record and it should be exposed for what it is. Hucksterism.
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US Airways and USAPA have conducted their clown show for 7+ years now and their only hope of redemption is latching on to the APA that in turn latched onto the Delta/United contracts. They have failed in every objective they set and they have not delivered a penny of benefits to their pilots.
They have succeeded 100% in their main objective. Their entire reason for being. --
The Nicolau award has never been implemented.
That fact may reward them more than anything. We'll see what happens with the AA SLI.
hate to interrupt but what's going on at the occ? computer system fail? no wdrs.
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